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[savepanel] 's select directory
by Patko nytkophilus 09 Dec '24

09 Dec '24

Hello, on pd-55.1, macos Monterey, I'm exploring the new [file] object and see something in help patch that seem to let the windows manager selecting a directory by using the object [savepanel 1] for [file mkdir]. But obviously it doesn't do that because it doesn't call tk_chooseDirectory, like I use to do with hcs's [sys_gui]. So what this argument mean, it is not documented, and how would it help to select a directory with my window manager? thanks for enlightenments p

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[PD-announce] Windows winget packages updated to 0.55-2
by Lucas Cordiviola 03 Dec '24

03 Dec '24

Windows(10 or 11) users can install (or update to) version 0.55-2 of pd (or pd64) from command-line via: - pd: winget install puredata - pd64: winget install pd64 :) -- Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list -- pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at To unsubscribe send an email to pd-announce-leave(a)lists.iem.at

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Berlin meetups?
by Dan Wilcox 02 Dec '24

02 Dec '24

Howdy all, I will be in Berlin tomorrow, are their any Pd etc meetups on Tuesday night? enohp ym morf tnes ----------- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com

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[PD-announce] unauthorized 0.2 pre test release for apple silicon
by Alexandre Torres Porres 01 Dec '24

01 Dec '24

Hi, there's a quick pre-test release of a new "unauthorized" version I'm working on. It's up in deken. Someone on the Pd forum was looking for [playlist] for apple silicon and I had to upload to deken so he can test it (it's just a nightmare now with apple and malware). All objects but the streaming ones seem to be working... I also still need to figure out linking dynamic libs for those but I'm aware they already have issues, so my main concern is to provide the others for now, specially the GUIs! I might solve the streaming deals in new objects in ELSE. Please test and let me know. I gotta be off for a couple of days for gigs upstate in the meantime. When I'm back I'll clean the dust off my old intel mac that can still run Pd-Extended and try the unauthorized library in there to see how it behaves. I'll also try the other deken upload we have for Vanilla and mac intel. I gotta see if it all really works and what's the trouble. Many tests ahead. I'll check it all out and get back for at least a final apple upload with some more technical remarks. By the way, I also did reorganize things and also cleaned up the documentation a bit, included the [output~] abstraction from extra and tried to mitigate some of the mess. I would like to work more on that for the final version. I can guarantee a working apple upload, but I guess I need help for other systems. This version uses pd-lib-builder, so others can fork and try and build themselves and test quite easily for other operating OSes. Kudos to Pd for being awesome as it's incredible we can build such an old code so easily. I just needed mostly to change '*error(*' to '*pd_error(*' so things could build. Here's the repository by the way https://github.com/porres/pd-unauthorized Now, if you're not aware, I'm taking some time off the pd-list, so I'm not reading or responding. People can still reach me though via email (or join the new unauthorized repository if interested in collaborating with it and discussing it). I think some things could go without saying, but under the light of recent events, here is a bit of a disclaimer: I consider Pd to be a community of free and independent contributors. I don't speak or act on behalf of the Pd Community, nor the Pd-list (which I'm currently not participating in). That is to say I'm the only one responsible for my actions and if someone (like, say, the original author of this library) is not happy and reading this, please leave the pd-list and the pd community alone because of my actions and take anything up directly with me, ok? Come to the repository, whatever - that is to suggest you to leave the premises and meet me in the parking lot if desired ;) but bring it on and let's see what you really got (unless all that was needed was the stage to troll and make a scene). Others can reach me too, of course, but I don't really want to discuss the recent events, we can all leave it behind. My last action about this situation is that I'm uploading this library to deken and maintaining it, and there's nothing else to it besides technical discussions about keeping this code available, accessible and working as best as possible. Sorry again for causing trouble at the bar. Be back soon. cheers _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list -- pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at To unsubscribe send an email to pd-announce-leave(a)lists.iem.at

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Please refrain from expressing personal feeling on the mailing list
by Alexandros Drymonitis 30 Nov '24

30 Nov '24

This concerns the long thread about unauthorized. All the rant and offenses in this thread are no good for the list and the Pd community, so I kingly ask for people that have any sort of disagreement, to take it off-list, if they insist on insulting others. This behaviour shouldn't be tolerated with as it ignores netiquette altogether. I hope the admins agree and take some action about this.

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thanks for the fish
by Dan Wilcox 27 Nov '24

27 Nov '24

Howdy all, There is no need for a new pd-unauthorized repo or dragging everyone else in along with it. I will take a break for this list. With all the hoopla I find myself asking: "do I want this in my life right now" and the answer is no. I'd rather not be distracted from some projects right now. This is why I'm not on social media... I can barely deal with my own drama. ;) *so long and thanks for all the fish...* -------- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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status of unauthorized
by Alexandre Torres Porres 26 Nov '24

26 Nov '24

Hi folks, first of all, sorry, really sorry... I'm not checking the list for a while. I'm filtering them and really not checking. I'm dumb, but at least I know how to filter emails. I am writing to the list because someone told me a private conversation of mine has been exposed to the list (where I also share the fact I am filtering the emails). So I wanted to say I'm sorry for that. There are things from that message that I regret that were exposed and leaked, as in my impulse I said things I didn't actually mean and I wanted to take it back, or also clarify them. I mentioned that Pd-Extended favored quantity over quality. I actually believe that, but I don't mean to say that it was a bad thing. I value that initiative. After all, I got a library with over 550 externals (and counting), and that is a big quantity... I also said that it was good that Extended had died, so we could get rid of some bad code. Well, I actually do agree with that, but I need to say that this is because it was just a burden to have to maintain and carry too many libraries that have been abandoned by the original authors. That's the unfortunate part, that many people couldn't keep up with the good work we had going on decades ago (some people didn't even want the code in there, I hear). Also, let me add, if they were still working on updating these libraries, there was not that much need for Extended and we could just keep installing them on Vanilla. Now for the main thing I regret! I said bad things about unauthorized and I am deeply sorry. I really wanna take that back! Having a better look at it, it is a wonderful library and I am actually in a phase where I want to dive in deep into tcl/tk coding, and this library has some awesome GUI objects! It feels like the perfect opportunity for me to hyperfocus on it and learn something from a master. I mean, c'mon, playlist is damn cool, who was I kidding in badmouthing that? For last, I said that it was good that Extended died so we could get rid of Unauthorized. And I'm really taking that back. And to prove, I wanted to share that I just forked Unauthorized. I extracted it from the Purr Data repository, which makes a damn good job keeping the legacy of Extended alive. Unfortunately, they haven't ported unauthorized's code to their frontgui, so the best part of it is missing. So yeah, I am now building and getting the code to compile with pdlibbuilder, and I will get them to work in all the main current platforms. Raspberry Pis and whatnot. I already have most of the objects compiled for apple silicon. When it is ready, I will upload them to deken when it's ready, and you'll hear about it in the pd-announce list. Here it is ==> https://github.com/porres/pd-unauthorized I just altered the README from the Purr Data repository a bit and included a few lines. Let me share that with you --------------------- This repository was forked by Porres and extracted from the Purr Data repository. It has been adapted to use pdlibbuilder and be compiled with the most recent version of Pd Vanilla. Note from PORRES: "I want to make it very very clear that I am not the author of this code, which is Yves Degoyon. I would also like to thank him for writing the code. I am not stealing this code". Another note from PORRES: "This is supposed to be the same version as carried by Pd-Extended, and it uses that same old license. The good thing about this license is that if you end up in the top 10 chart of Pop music you can still use this library of externals. The bad thing about this license is that if you use it for military duties and end up building a nuclear bomb that kills us all, well, we're all gonna die, so it's bad (I guess?)" ------------------- I am still off the mailing list, not checking it, and I don't wanna hear about it. Even if something like nude pics of mine get leaked here (specially if something like that happens). Let me hyperfocus on working on unauthorized now. I'll check back when I get out of my new hyperfocus and announce on the Pd-announce list my new deken upload. Sorry again Bye... ps. I'd like to say I really love this community and I wanna really thank everyone who is still keeping it up and working on stuff and sharing. Many who have contributed in the past surely need to be praised too but I wanted to *really really really really* thank people who have been volunteering to work on Pd for years, or literally decades now and have contributed as much as possible. <3

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[PD-announce] Pd 0.55-2 released
by Miller Puckette via Pd-announce 26 Nov '24

26 Nov '24

To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.55-2 is available from https://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data . cheers Miller _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list -- pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at To unsubscribe send an email to pd-announce-leave(a)lists.iem.at

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mp3 playback from URL -> stop the flame war, please
by jayrope 26 Nov '24

26 Nov '24

To everyone involved this flame war, please continue your argument outside this list and let's keep this place focussed on Puredata and in a respectful way. Thank you very much, -- jayrope +++ https://jayrope.com https://aircushionfinish.com +++ https://hub.kliklak.net/@jrp On 26.11.24 06:04, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list(a)lists.iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-owner(a)lists.iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: mp3 playback from URL (ydegoyon @gmail.com) > 2. Re: mp3 playback from URL (ydegoyon @gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 03:30:32 +0100 > From: "ydegoyon @gmail.com" <ydegoyon(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [PD] Re: mp3 playback from URL > To: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at> > Message-ID: <7064e40c-051e-67d9-2c44-e4c1ba05fb7d(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="------------80B7505D3C0F0CD1B62AFF27" > > > yeh, get a cure, i'm doing well > > autorship was about *pd OpenCV* if you can't read anything clearly, > and it's mainly from *Luis Gomez i Bigorda* and me if you can't even > remember details. > > at the same time, yes, removing unauthorized from *Deken * > would please me. > > i write in bold so you can remember. > > and we have absolutely whatsover *ANY personal relationship*, > so drop your comments about my attitude. > > yeh, friends told me about the mood in your convention, > and i don't regret i wasn't there, > i don't go in a colony for boyscouts. > > all your old rancors really show that you are sick, not more. > > chevil(a)giss.tv > > Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >> Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com >> <http://gmail.com> <ydegoyon(a)gmail.com <mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com>> >> escreveu:* >>> they can fork it and even thank the author, >>> but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.* >> Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - clearly has >> you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure others know what >> you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by an "unknown >> youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man as to realize we're >> not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are not talking to whoever >> you are accusing of stealing your work without credit. And ohboy, >> you're really trying hard to offend me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I >> got that way into your head. >> >> I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent trait, >> which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above average and it >> masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, the score drops to >> "average". Since you're so interested in my conditions, check this >> diagram >> ... >> (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me). >> >> *> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the >> same license as PiDiP* >> >> I said I cloned from your git <git clone >> http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git>. The license in there, >> in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you changed it, you >> don't seem to have updated it or made new versions based on your new >> license in the "real repository, kept in GISS.tv". >> >> I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't know much >> about it. As I see it, once you release a version with the GPL >> license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. I bet the Pd >> people know a lot about licensing and that is why 'unauthorized' was >> kept in Extended. >> >> You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from somewhere. >> Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not maintaining it. I am >> actually trying to help you understand the situation. We're all on the >> same page that "unauthorized" should not be used. So I hope you >> realize how pointless this discussion is. You don't seem to get things >> even being so smart and after multiple explanations. If it's still >> confusing, I'll just give up. >> >> I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are still >> shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can try and >> reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you can get it out >> of there in the same way you couldn't get it out of Extended. >> >> The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in Vanilla >> via our deken plugin. It was important to have these libraries around >> in a transition phase period when Extended quite unfortunately ceased >> and people were adapting. There are new libraries being maintained and >> with alternatives. Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is >> maintaining it or making new uploads. There's an old version there >> which doesn't even run on newer machines and it has the old license >> and explains how it was forked and even points to your original >> repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a new >> version with the new license so people can install from deken? Can we >> leave it at that? Do you want it out of deken? Under what reasoning? >> >> It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old and >> abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already have >> alternatives for a couple of objects I used from unauthorized, like >> [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE for that). Yeah, I lied I >> "never used it", but I don't consider that using a couple of objects >> when I was using Extended means I actually knew your library. >> >> For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have unauthorized >> cloned, I will look again on what's in there for real, see if >> something is worth having an alternative to. And regarding the topic >> of the thread, I'll investigate more about what we have in Pd >> regarding streaming and will look into adding those things into ELSE >> (and in PlugData by extension). >> >> *> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.* >> >> You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for a >> peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna get >> into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to have mental >> issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm actually changing the >> way I feel about you. >> >> It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree you >> shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people don't have >> to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like you want to >> justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're doing, you're >> actually doubling down. My case differs and, for starters, it's not an >> "illness", they're divergent traits, and I'm not using anything as an >> excuse to justify any rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was >> defending myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid >> or something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an >> illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. Regardless >> of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you. >> >> My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly honest. It >> can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For instance, you were a >> real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare dealing with you all along. >> I regret I invited you, insisted on your coming, paid for your stuff, >> made sure you had all you needed, because at literally the last minute >> you simply missed the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how >> that made me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I >> still am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed >> us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you were >> just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, people can >> just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it out, offer you a >> happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm now having mixed feelings >> and it's true I'm also just sorry to realize you're still struggling >> with whatever haunts you after so many years. >> >> Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this concerns >> the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just some silly >> engagement without a history. On the other hand, you're also coming >> back here and being offensive and rude in general again. You're just >> revisiting how you mistreated people about 14 years ago out of >> nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why I took the stand and had the >> initiative to deal with you and not let you have it easy this time >> around, and push you back if you're just gonna make a scene again. I >> see others have an easier way of handling this and just ignore you. >> That's way harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out. >> >> I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can hold it >> together, as this is what was happening, you were being treated nice, >> after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, I poked you and >> pushed you back cause I don't count on your ability to behave. But if >> I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome back :) anytime! >> >> Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, and >> help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more productive >> approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to exchange. However, if >> that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I guess others won't bother >> much as well. >> >> cheers >

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Re: mp3 playback from URL
by ydegoyon ＠gmail.com 26 Nov '24

26 Nov '24

you really show the level of discussions here ... lower than the gutter, where i puke.. i'm aware i wrote off-list but now i put it back on the list to show your real face. i'm mainly laughing of your childish remarks. Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > Oh boy, are you aware you're writing me off list? Cause you don't seem > to realize how emails work and you have problems with it :) right > dumbass? Well, I bet you didn't mean to, you silly person... > > I was filtering the emails sent to the pd-list so I wouldn't have to > deal with you for a while. And I did it correctly and I remembered I > did it. Unlike you, you fucking pathetic moron, hahahah, that was so > funny by the way... accusing IOhannes to filter your messages and then > it turns out it was your fucking filter, ahahahahaha. Well, you are > very funny, but funny for being ridiculous. > > But anyway, here you are, writing to me off list and I'm getting it... > and I had to check the latest scene the old grumpy man that acts like > a crying baby or a bitchy teenager was doing now at the list. > > You're funny, but you're also sad, again me with mixed feelings. I'm > still actually sorry for you, and it's even sadder how you don't > realize you have clear issues. It's sad cause you're hopeless... what > a sad existence... but also fuck you, right? As you're just an > annoying sick asshole. And I knew you were going to keep being the > asshole you've always been, so I'm disengaging from the list > interaction as promised, and thanks for the opportunity to tell you to > fuck off in private then <3 I have to say it does feel pretty good to > tell you to fuck off, you fucking moron <3 > > Let's see if someone else will handle you at the list, or if they'll > just ignore the troll... maybe they'll take "unauthorized" out of > deken to make you happy and get rid of you, but if you really care > about people not using unauthorized, I tried telling you this was > useless. You're so fucking retarded that you don't seem to get it... > for the last time, you should note that people will still be using > unauthorized in Pd-L2ork/Purr Data, and you should bug them for that. > > At one point I thought about uploading a new version of unauthorized > to deken just to piss you off, but I've been looking at it, and it's > such a crappy library, some objects don't even work, others are just > bad. I guess people were including any crap back in the extended days, > favoring quantity over quality. It's a good thing Extended died in the > end, as we can get rid of your stupid code. > > Enough attention for you, you must be sad and lonely, desperate for > attention, but you're now also filtered here... bye bye, fuck you, > fuck you very very much, please don't stay in touch... > > talk to the hand now... > > > Em ter., 26 de nov. de 2024 às 00:06, ydegoyon @gmail.com > <http://gmail.com> <ydegoyon(a)gmail.com <mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com>> > escreveu: > > > you know, you are not funny but really > > heavy > heavy > heavy > heavy > > > ydegoyon @gmail.com <http://gmail.com> wrote: >> >> yeh, get a cure, i'm doing well >> >> autorship was about *pd OpenCV* if you can't read anything clearly, >> and it's mainly from *Luis Gomez i Bigorda* and me if you can't >> even remember details. >> >> at the same time, yes, removing unauthorized from *Deken * >> would please me. >> >> i write in bold so you can remember. >> >> and we have absolutely whatsover *ANY personal relationship*, >> so drop your comments about my attitude. >> >> yeh, friends told me about the mood in your convention, >> and i don't regret i wasn't there, >> i don't go in a colony for boyscouts. >> >> all your old rancors really show that you are sick, not more. >> >> chevil(a)giss.tv <mailto:chevil@giss.tv> >> >> Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >>> Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com >>> <http://gmail.com> <ydegoyon(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com>> escreveu:* >>> > they can fork it and even thank the author, >>> > but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.* >>> >>> Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - >>> clearly has you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure >>> others know what you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by >>> an "unknown youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man >>> as to realize we're not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are >>> not talking to whoever you are accusing of stealing your work >>> without credit. And ohboy, you're really trying hard to offend >>> me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I got that way into your head. >>> >>> I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent >>> trait, which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above >>> average and it masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, >>> the score drops to "average". Since you're so interested in my >>> conditions, check this diagram >>> https://tendingpaths.wordpress.com/2022/12/12/updated-autism-adhd-giftednes… >>> (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me). >>> >>> *> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have >>> the same license as PiDiP* >>> >>> I said I cloned from your git <git clone >>> http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git>. The license in >>> there, in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you >>> changed it, you don't seem to have updated it or made new >>> versions based on your new license in the "real repository, kept >>> in GISS.tv". >>> >>> I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't >>> know much about it. As I see it, once you release a version with >>> the GPL license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. >>> I bet the Pd people know a lot about licensing and that is why >>> 'unauthorized' was kept in Extended. >>> >>> You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from >>> somewhere. Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not >>> maintaining it. I am actually trying to help you understand the >>> situation. We're all on the same page that "unauthorized" should >>> not be used. So I hope you realize how pointless this discussion >>> is. You don't seem to get things even being so smart and after >>> multiple explanations. If it's still confusing, I'll just give up. >>> >>> I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are >>> still shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can >>> try and reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you >>> can get it out of there in the same way you couldn't get it out >>> of Extended. >>> >>> The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in >>> Vanilla via our deken plugin. It was important to have these >>> libraries around in a transition phase period when Extended >>> quite unfortunately ceased and people were adapting. There are >>> new libraries being maintained and with alternatives. >>> Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is maintaining it or >>> making new uploads. There's an old version there which doesn't >>> even run on newer machines and it has the old license and >>> explains how it was forked and even points to your original >>> repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a >>> new version with the new license so people can install >>> from deken? Can we leave it at that? Do you want it out of >>> deken? Under what reasoning? >>> >>> It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old >>> and abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already >>> have alternatives for a couple of objects I used from >>> unauthorized, like [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE >>> for that). Yeah, I lied I "never used it", but I don't consider >>> that using a couple of objects when I was using Extended means >>> I actually knew your library. >>> >>> For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have >>> unauthorized cloned, I will look again on what's in there for >>> real, see if something is worth having an alternative to. And >>> regarding the topic of the thread, I'll investigate more about >>> what we have in Pd regarding streaming and will look into adding >>> those things into ELSE (and in PlugData by extension). >>> >>> *> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.* >>> >>> You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for >>> a peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna >>> get into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to >>> have mental issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm >>> actually changing the way I feel about you. >>> >>> It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree >>> you shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people >>> don't have to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like >>> you want to justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're >>> doing, you're actually doubling down. My case differs and, for >>> starters, it's not an "illness", they're divergent traits, and >>> I'm not using anything as an excuse to justify any >>> rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was defending >>> myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid or >>> something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an >>> illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. >>> Regardless of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you. >>> >>> My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly >>> honest. It can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For >>> instance, you were a real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare >>> dealing with you all along. I regret I invited you, insisted on >>> your coming, paid for your stuff, made sure you had all you >>> needed, because at literally the last minute you simply missed >>> the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how that made >>> me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I still >>> am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed >>> us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you >>> were just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, >>> people can just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it >>> out, offer you a happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm >>> now having mixed feelings and it's true I'm also just sorry to >>> realize you're still struggling with whatever haunts you after >>> so many years. >>> >>> Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this >>> concerns the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just >>> some silly engagement without a history. On the other hand, >>> you're also coming back here and being offensive and rude in >>> general again. You're just revisiting how you mistreated people >>> about 14 years ago out of nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why >>> I took the stand and had the initiative to deal with you and not >>> let you have it easy this time around, and push you back if >>> you're just gonna make a scene again. I see others have an >>> easier way of handling this and just ignore you. That's way >>> harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out. >>> >>> I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can >>> hold it together, as this is what was happening, you were being >>> treated nice, after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, >>> I poked you and pushed you back cause I don't count on your >>> ability to behave. But if I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome >>> back :) anytime! >>> >>> Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, >>> and help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more >>> productive approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to >>> exchange. However, if that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I >>> guess others won't bother much as well. >>> >>> cheers >> >

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