Pd-list March 2018

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Re: [PD] reporting the dimensions of a symbol / float atom
by Dan Wilcox 21 Mar '18

21 Mar '18

The atoms are slightly taller due to the increase in inlet height to match Pd-extended's sizing. > On Mar 21, 2018, at 7:52 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: Liam Goodacre <liamg_uw(a)hotmail.com <mailto:liamg_uw@hotmail.com>> > Cc: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] reporting the dimensions of a symbol / float atom > Message-ID: > <VI1PR0102MB35843B42612760F2E43A94BFFCAA0(a)VI1PR0102MB3584.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com <mailto:VI1PR0102MB35843B42612760F2E43A94BFFCAA0@VI1PR0102MB3584.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It would certainly help me to have be able to query atom sizes. Beyond the issue of tight GOP areas, in Context you can resize atoms dynamically (see the attached gif). The whole thing rests on knowing the basic dimensions of an atom. If there is a margin of error here, then the whole thing gets thrown off. > > I'll grant that this is an unusual case, but it seems likely that many other users could benefit from a system which sizes GOPs and canvases according to font units. Roman, I don't see this getting in the way of any future solution--it's more just an optional feature which would enhance compatibility between older and newer versions of PD, many of which will remain in use for a long time. > > BTW, we are talking about two different things here: font size and atom size. What is the relationship between them? In 0.48.1, the atom appears to have increased in height, suggesting that they are not always proportional. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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compiling PD on windows
by oliver 21 Mar '18

21 Mar '18

hi, list ! Recently Lucas Cordiviola generously helped me getting on my feet compiling PD for myself on a windows system. He wrote a very useful and clear description how this can be done effectively and i thought this could be interesting for other windows PD users as well. So here's the instruction (with kind permission from Lucas): ================================================================================ Compiling Pd on windows was difficult until a couple of month ago when Christof, Dan and IOhannes did some work: First follow instructions to set up Msys2. You should install the 64bit installer (this one will let you build 32 and 64 bit apps). https://www.msys2.org/ https://github.com/msys2/msys2/wiki/MSYS2-installation Once the base Msys2 has been installed add with -pacman the packages described here: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/e3009daf1acfa1c46adc67416b89019… (note that the backslash line breaks are only for readability. in fact those commands should be one line !) Then download the Pd sources from GIT. There's a big green button "clone or download" at https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data Then Download the ASIO SDK, rename it and copy it to the right place --> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/tree/master/asio Now you are ready to compile. (at this point is a good idea to copy all your pd-source dir (containing the ASIO thing) to have a "clean" back-up for experimenting with different things. Then you make new dirs based on the backup) Open the MinGW32 shell and (paths with forward slash "/"): $cd full/path/to/your/pd-sources-dir $./autogen.sh $./configure $make $make app --------- For a 64bit Pd (still experimental) we also need a 64bit tcl/tk. --> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/msw/README.txt Open the MinGW64 shell: $cd full/path/to/your/pd-sources-dir ---------------------- $msw/tcltk-dir.sh --64bit 8.6.8 then: $./autogen.sh $./configure --with-wish=wish86.exe CPPFLAGS=-DPD_LONGINTTYPE=__int64 $make $msw/msw-app.sh -t tcltk-8.6.8 0.48-1-w64-tcltk-w64 -------------------------- Notes on 64 bit: you should always add "CPPFLAGS=-DPD_LONGINTTYPE=__int64" when you do ./configure General notes: You should always clean the pd-sources in between compilations, if you are unsure just delete the hole thing and place the backup. ================================================================================ please feel free to comment or correct on this howto ! best oliver & lucas -- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ /////////////// http://pendler.klingt.org ////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ http://oliver.klingt.org \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

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Re: [PD] pad sound with Pd
by Dan Wilcox 21 Mar '18

21 Mar '18

Try s_pad in rjlib: https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib <https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib> Or ask this guy 0_O https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Y0ftqDUlE <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Y0ftqDUlE> > On Mar 20, 2018, at 8:43 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: Roman Haefeli <reduzent(a)gmail.com <mailto:reduzent@gmail.com>> > To: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD] pad sound with Pd > Message-ID: <1521571674.2426.10.camel(a)gmail.com <mailto:1521571674.2426.10.camel@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey all > > I'm wondering how to do the most silky pad sound in Pd. I'm curious > what strategies people use and am also interested in patches if people > don't mind sharing. It came up because of a track I was working on that > I was only half happy with the pad part. > > Roman -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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reporting the dimensions of a symbol / float atom
by Liam Goodacre 21 Mar '18

21 Mar '18

Hi all I've been struggling with the font sizes changing from one release to another, as it throws off the sizing of atoms. I often use tightly fitted GOP's around a symbol or float atom, but everything made on 0.47 fails in 0.48 because the atom is slightly taller there. I know that this has been discussed at length before, and I do not wish to re-open the issue for debate. Instead, I'm wondering if we could have an object that reports the dimensions of the atom in your system. So for instance, [bang(---[atomsize] would give you "8 15" if you were on 0.47 (8*15 pixels being the dimensions of a width-1 atom in 0.47 on Ubuntu) and "7 18" if you're on 0.48, etc. This would at least give you the information you need to dynamically resize GOPs to fit the system. It's not a perfect solution, but it would make things considerably more stable than they are now. Alex Porres is willing to include such an object in his Else library if it's feasible, but unfortunately neither of us are familiar enough with the source code to know how to go about it. Can anybody help? To someone as naive as myself, it would seem like a pretty easy task. The dimensions must be defined somewhere, so it's just a matter of knowing which variable to call, right? Liam

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Re: [PD] compiling PD on windows
by Dan Wilcox 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

Should be. The build environment for Pd 64 bit on windows will work with building externals using makefiles / pd-lib-builder. You can essentially follow the Msys2 set up instructions in INSTALL.txt and then use the MinGW 64 bit compiler: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt#L274 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt#L274> > On Mar 20, 2018, at 3:34 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: alfonso santimone <alfonso.santimone(a)gmail.com <mailto:alfonso.santimone@gmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] compiling PD on windows > Message-ID: > <CAPpSNCsP-y3YCyds4AQx1Z7==Rbm1DacRJ-CGGAQ5JpyDERVeg(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAPpSNCsP-y3YCyds4AQx1Z7==Rbm1DacRJ-CGGAQ5JpyDERVeg@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > thanks everybody and Lucas for the instructions. > Are they a valid line to follow to compile win64 externals to? > > thanks and all the best > > a. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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pad sound with Pd
by Roman Haefeli 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

Hey all I'm wondering how to do the most silky pad sound in Pd. I'm curious what strategies people use and am also interested in patches if people don't mind sharing. It came up because of a track I was working on that I was only half happy with the pad part. Roman

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robotcowboy looking for gigs
by Dan Wilcox 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

(! a non-development issue email!) Howdy all, I'm working on new material and I'm looking to start gigging with robotcowboy again. I'm up for playing *wherever*: underground, house parties, bars/clubs, galleries, etc. I'm currently based in Karlsruhe, Germany so I can travel pretty easily to places in SW Germany & NE France. If you're not familiar, "robotcowboy" is essentially a one-man-band mix of surf & computer-music, sort of experimental pop using Pure Data: robotcowboy: Cabled Madness <http://danomatika.com/music/robotcowboy-cabled-madness> robotcowboy: Onward to Mars <http://danomatika.com/music/robotcowboy-onward-to-mars> robotcowboy homepage: http://robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> (in process of being overhauled...) -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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[convolve~] version 0.11 testing
by William Brent 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

Hi all, I just got around to making some updates to [convolve~] for partitioned IR convolution reverb. I'm now using FFTW so that non-power-of-two window sizes are possible, which gives finer control over the delay between the dry and wet signal as well as CPU% impact. You can change window size on the fly now too. The other major difference is an FFT filter eq method for making custom adjustments to the IR's spectrum. I'd appreciate testing from anyone who's willing. The source, help file, and Mac OS binary are here: https://github.com/wbrent/convolve_tilde.git I'll probably update with Windows and 64bit Linux binaries tomorrow. Or, the Makefile will let you build in the meantime if you build/install FFTW first. William -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com

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Re: [PD] compiling PD on windows
by alfonso santimone 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

Hi all, thanks everybody and Lucas for the instructions. Are they a valid line to follow to compile win64 externals to? thanks and all the best a. www.elgallorojorecords.com soundcloud.com/alfonsosantimone www.facebook.com/alfonsosantimone

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Re: [PD] compiling PD on windows
by Dan Wilcox 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

There is also the summary I wrote in the INSTALL.txt (with feedback from Lucas and Christof): https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt#L274 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt#L274> Is there something here we need to add? > On Mar 20, 2018, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: oliver <oliver(a)klingt.org <mailto:oliver@klingt.org>> > To: "pd-list(a)mail.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at>" <pd-list(a)mail.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD] compiling PD on windows > Message-ID: <c1e40019-9cd6-ba95-aa9a-b61dd0726848(a)klingt.org <mailto:c1e40019-9cd6-ba95-aa9a-b61dd0726848@klingt.org>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > hi, list ! > > Recently Lucas Cordiviola generously helped me getting on my feet > compiling PD for myself on a windows system. He wrote a very useful and > clear description how this can be done effectively and i thought this > could be interesting for other windows PD users as well. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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