Pd-list November 2018

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mqtt
by michael strohmann 06 Dec '18

06 Dec '18

hi list, i was wondering if there is an object in pd that can handle MQTT Protocol - would be great in order to use pd in a IoT context. Cheers! Michael

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Gem crashes after relaunching with error: i965: Failed to submit batchbuffer: Invalid argument
by Csaba Láng 03 Dec '18

03 Dec '18

Dear list, did anyone meet this OpenGL bug on ununtu 18.04? When recreating gemwin (destroy, create) Pd crashes with this error: i965: Failed to submit batchbuffer: Invalid argument Best, Popesz

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Keyboard patching
by Henri Augusto Bisognini 02 Dec '18

02 Dec '18

Hi PD list! I have an idea for a "keyboard patching" feature for PD that allows you to navigate connections with the keyboard. It also allows for neatly placing objects when connecting new ones to any outlet! I've made a little working prototype showing the idea. Basically you use Ctrl+arrows to nagivate inlets, outlets and connections. Instead of always using the first one, when you place a new object (and auto-patch is enabled) the new object is connected to the selected outlet and placed exactly in the same exact X coordinates. What do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyhm40tj7bU Cheers, Henri.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] vstplugin~ 0.1-alpha released
by Peter Nyboer 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

Wow! This is amazing. Is there a guide on using linux and VST plugins? Peter.

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Re: [PD] Recognizing USB MIDI interfaces on Pd 0.48.1 (Debian 9.5)
by Dan Wilcox 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

You can use aconnectgui if you don't want to use qjackctl. Also, you can use the device name with aconnect. Here's an excerpt of a script I rote to start Pd on my wearable 10 years ago. The trick is that you need to wait until Pd sets up its MIDI ports before trying to connect to them in a script. ----- echo "rc_starts_pd: strating pd" pd -rt -nogui -alsa -audiodev 4 -audiobuf 10 -alsamidi $PATCH & # wait for pd to initialize KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep "Pure Data") while [ "$KA" = "" ] do sleep 1 echo "rc_starts_pd: pd alsamidi not ready" KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep "Pure Data") done echo "rc_starts_pd: pd alsmidi is ready" # connect the UA-25 midi to Pure Data echo "rc_starts_pd: alsa midi connect 'UA-25' <-> 'Pure Data'" aconnect 'UA-25' 'Pure Data' aconnect 'Pure Data':1 'UA-25':0 ----- > On Nov 30, 2018, at 4:57 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:47:21 +0100 > From: "Ingo" <ingo(a)miamiwave.com <mailto:ingo@miamiwave.com>> > To: "'Jaime Oliver'" <jaime.oliver2(a)gmail.com <mailto:jaime.oliver2@gmail.com>> > Cc: "'Pd-List'" <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Recognizing USB MIDI interfaces on Pd 0.48.1 (Debian > 9.5) > Message-ID: <002b01d488c3$fb7c13c0$f2743b40$(a)miamiwave.com <mailto:002b01d488c3$fb7c13c0$f2743b40$@miamiwave.com>> > > Thanks, Jamie! > > got it finally to connect or disconnect now. > > I didn't have the correct client and ID numbers. > I'll have to find a way to retrieve the port number of an unknown USB > interface first automatically before I can connect it to Pd automatically. > I couldn't find any way to connect an existing new port without knowing its > number. > > I tried aconnect *:0 128:0 instead of aconnect 24:0 128:0 but it didn't work. > Obviously havin * become 128 would cause a feedback loop - so it makes sense > not to work. > > I had also installed qjackctl as IOhannes suggested. > This also works. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] Recognizing USB MIDI interfaces on Pd 0.48.1 (Debian 9.5)
by Dan Wilcox 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

Pd on macOS uses portmidi for it's backend and portmidi, like portaudio, does not support device hot plugging. I imagine it works on Linux using the alsamidi backend instead... > On Nov 30, 2018, at 5:49 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:29:41 +0100 > From: Simon Iten <itensimon(a)gmail.com <mailto:itensimon@gmail.com>> > To: Ingo <ingo(a)miamiwave.com <mailto:ingo@miamiwave.com>> > Cc: Jaime Oliver <jaime.oliver2(a)gmail.com <mailto:jaime.oliver2@gmail.com>>, Pd-List > <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Recognizing USB MIDI interfaces on Pd 0.48.1 (Debian > 9.5) > Message-ID: <C3B84F2E-B351-44B8-9208-D1F49F5B12FF(a)gmail.com <mailto:C3B84F2E-B351-44B8-9208-D1F49F5B12FF@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > on osx at least you had to restart pd for new midi devices to work since “ages”… (not talking about extended) -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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(GEM) running pix_film without installing quicktime?
by enrike 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

hi I started teaching a course on using PD for real time sound and graphics and I just discovered that the computers do not have QuickTime installed. Getting it installed is going to take weeks. Too late for the course I am afraid. is there some way to incorporate manually into the GEM folder the required dlls and files from a QuickTime install in another machine? if this would be feasible, which ones should I copy and where should they be? I made some quick tests with no luck. thanks enrike

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Re: [PD] Recognizing USB MIDI interfaces on Pd 0.48.1 (Debian 9.5)
by Jaime Oliver 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

you mean "aconnect -l" in the terminal does not give you any devices? On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 3:25 PM Ingo <ingo(a)fixitinthemix.de> wrote: > Doesn't work here. > > > > From: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] On Behalf Of Jaime > Oliver > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:48 PM > To: IOhannes m zmoelnig > Cc: Pd-List > Subject: Re: [PD] Recognizing USB MIDI interfaces on Pd 0.48.1 (Debian 9.5) > > You can also use alsa-midi in pd and "aconnect" to connect your device to > pd > without using jack. > J > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:43 PM IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> > wrote: > On 11/29/18 6:56 PM, Ingo wrote: > > Mmmhh, > > > > I really don't want to use jack for this. > > i didn't propose anything with jack. > qjackctl (despite it's name) is a tool that allows to manage > - jack audio connections > - jack midi connections > - alsa midi connections > > i was only talking about the last option, which is totally independent > of of JACK. > > qjcackctl would allow you to magically connect your new devices to Pd > once they are plugged in, without having the need to open any dialog. > > i don't know about OSS-MIDI. i never use it. > > > fmadr > IOhannes > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > -- > ********************** > Jaime E Oliver LR > www.jaimeoliver.pe > > > -- ********************** Jaime E Oliver LR www.jaimeoliver.pe

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Recognizing USB MIDI interfaces on Pd 0.48.1 (Debian 9.5)
by Ingo 29 Nov '18

29 Nov '18

Hi everybody, I know this has been coverd before but somehow I can't find it. I'm having a problem that after switching to Pd 0.48.1 on Debian 9.5 I cannot recognize USB MIDI interfaces anymore without restarting Pd. Can anybody tell me how to do this or point me to the relevant information? I used to simply recall the MIDI dialog and it was there - that's not the case anymore. Thanks a lot! Ingo

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Inclusiveness: Fratments of my Personal Experience
by Joe Deken 29 Nov '18

29 Nov '18

I'd like to mak a contribution to discussing inclusiveness in Pd. I'm not sure I'll succeed; I'm uncomfortable Plato's regime of abstractions and ideals. I'm even less comfortable when confronted by any/all labels which try to express and encompass any unique and precious human life. What then could I offer "inclusiveness and Pd?" Please allow some points simply from my personal experience. Note below: I'll divvy up my remarks here and number them -- allowing you easily to stop reading anywhere along the line. And if you decide to stop reading quickly. I still give you my sincere "thanks for listening." 0) I am thankful to all people of goodwill who *act on their commitment.* -- particularly to you who downplay *controversy and polarization* around diverse alternative particular tactics we may actively employ. I'll start simply with a link to the inclusiveness video which PA indicated, which does not require youtube: http://newblankets.org/worth_a_look/equality_audio_industry.webm Further (personal) perspective on inclusiveness and diversity ... 1) I'm fairly old and have worked on many things which I now realize have been useless or worse. But I have been a parent to five children. My first child was a daughter, Kate. Honestly I couldn't tell you if Kate "identifies as female" because she and I don't speak. Kate was born beautiful and perfect and healthy with the smile of a cherub or a Buddha that will never leave my eidetic consciousness. But on the day Kate was born she was also recently deceased. This beautiful perfect girl at that point (by only a matter of hours) beyond any possible help. 2) So what? Shall we relay another medical malpractice tale, to bore us all with its sheer repetitiveness? We could simply state that Kate's parents trusted the wrong people and let her die. But a bit of truths is not the truth; a picture is not a pixel. So it's worth considering additional matters of fact and on the record from that dark day in 1976: The (male) obstetrician would not listen to Kate's (female & medical professional) mother or take her seriously. Mom brought her unborn child to this doc's hospital the evening before Kate's birth, in mortal distress. 3) Without my resorting to abstractions, my daughter Kate's story forces upon me this truth: Enormous harm is done by people whom we TRUST TOO MUCH and by those who advertise that they "MEAN NO HARM." Great harm is done simply through "experts" and other gatekeepers. These "leaders" lack dedication to open observation; they lack the simple modesty to question their own scope and skills. Policymakers, warmongers and other experts casually absorb arrogance and tunnel vision with their elitist miseducation. Elitism is a pollution as endemic as plastics in our five major ocean gyres around the Earth. But elitist self-preserving traditions and practices are also hostile and lethal to us all. So let's face it: This pollution is another toxic waste that "advanced society" has produced. And let us now remediate as best we can. Sooner addressed, more lives rescued. 4) But no one likes sad stories. Not me. After Kate's death, it turns out that I was blessed with three incomprehensible and awesome sons. And then my youngest arrived twelve years after Kate -- a miracle daughter, Claire. (Of coure _every_ child who survives their trip to arrive safely on our little planet is a miracle. -- It's simply eye-opening to realize miracles which are also everyday facts.) There could not be any words to say what it is to have a living daughter who is a kindred spirit and a mathematician and a first grade teacher? Rather a simple action: I'm delighted to be able to send "PA's equality video from Pd-list" today to my daughter Claire and her first-graders. 5) Why is my ramble relevant to all us denizens of Pd-land? I'll convey an unoriginal viewpoint/observation I first learned from Chris McCormick. But I now appreciate how vital this aspect is. And why? Through the *works* of Miller and Katja and Iohannes and Fred Jan and Dan and Julian and Connie and Susan and Liam and Alexandros ... (you fill in the blanks you can keep your own list going as long as you like-- I'm out of ink but not out of people.) Consider this: The free/open community must dedicate itself beyond producing the finest and most worthwhile software that humankind has ever seen. We also be working just as effectively together to cultivate -- better social practices in our self-organizing co-operative community -- It simply stands to reason. Building an inclusive and welcoming community is vital. If we don't nurture healthy and inclusive and open communities, then our vaunted "free software" will never actually be more than a marginalized disguise for yet another class of elites -- "producers" or "experts" or "professors" -- dribbling their discards out to "consumers," clients and pupils for cash. 6) What is the "higher ground" for free/open communites?" How do we react to "good causes" such as medicine or education or software-professionalism that are practiced badly and/or with inept tactics? From personal experience again, I can say that despite Kate's death or maybe because of it, I also eventually became Dean of a Medical school. "Better to light one candle ..." Or still personal and perhaps more relevant in terms of assisting Pd-land: Our little non-profit, New Blankets was started in 2008. In a real sense NB meant as an *antidote* to the so-called "public benefit" non-profits I myself had spent 50 years vainly attempting to assist. In the first ten years of New Blankets, I have thus been immersed in Pd-land through friendship with "Miller and friends." Thus you may discount any biased thing I say. But I will opine this objectively: the Pd community is the finest example of what a free/open development group can be. (If you think I'm wrong, please tell me where they're doing it better. The quest is never ending.) 7) If you observe that I myself rarely post to Pd-list you may reasonably bring charges against me of a) first-degree lurking and b) off-topic-abuse. Guilty as charged. But when questions of equality and inclusiveness arise, I simply don't recognize "off topic for Pd." For me and the folks so kindly supporting New Blankets, these community-concerns are a vital central activity. These commitments also mandate tolerance and thick-skinned-ness and carelessness-to-take-offense. Let us not obstruct any tactics which *may* help. Why attack or obstruct any benevolent practitioners based where they place themselves on any left-right political spectrum? Who cares how much a true contributor may believe/disbelieve any useful fictions like "economic realities" or "intellectual property?" Rather, modesty dictates to us to allow consider it possible for "People with the wrong approach" to be righter than we are. They might be enlighted by insights and techniques that have simply escaped our own ken. So let a thousand flowers bloom. Let's shamelessly seduce diversity and inclusiveness over the threshold to join our tent-revivals everywhere. Let's cherish an ecology which *relies on* diversity and *welcomes contributions* -- let's strengthen this energy however and wherever it chooses to spring up. Beauty graces us all. 8) A wonderful guide to free/open social practice can be found in the indigenous Six Nations "constitution" which the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) people called their *Great Law of Peace*. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Law_of_Peace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Law_of_Peace#Published_accounts -- btw GLoP from the Haudenosaunee was a key influence on the American settlers during colonial times. GloP makes these indigenous people and their democratic federation (through Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson's absorption of their treaties and traditions ) emerge as truly the "Forgotten Founders" of the U.S.Constitution itself. (And for the present inclusiveness discussion, we should observe that the Haudenosaunee matrilineal/matriarchy lessons were somehow ignored Franklin/Jefferson et al in launching US of A. --- Hence the rightful recognition of U.S. Founding Mothers has also been forgotten. Ref: http://www.sixnationsindianmuseum.com/ http://www.thegreatpeacemakers.com/iroquois-great-law-of-peace.html "Thy mind is made straight; thy head is now combed; the seven crooks have been taken from thy body. Now thou, too, hast a New Mind." ÂDeganawida (The Great Peacemaker)

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