Pd-list September 2017

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pd pretty print
by Peter P. 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

Hi list, this topic is somewhat known. How do I print postscript (vector graphic) from Pd's "Print..." menu entry? For now pd creates postscript files, which can be converted to pdf using ps2pdf optioanlly followed by pdfcrop (at least on Linux). Nevertheless the font type, size and positions are different (and ugly) compared to the initial patch. Miller kindly shared his awk script on this list, to change fontsizes in the .ps files. Andy Farnell seems to have worked on this as well. If I am not mistaken it does something like awk 'BEGIN {last = -10} /findfont 8/ { last=NR $1 = "/Courier-Bold" $3 = 11.3 } { print }' $1 > /tmp/tmp2.ps I am wondering about the following: Depending on the patch fontsize, the "/findfont 8/" might hold a different value. I am wondering how these values correspond to pd font sizes, as this seems to have changed a bit over the last years. Printing the testtone.pd patch with a Pd fontsize of 12 yields testtone.ps which holds entries of the form. /DejaVuSansMono-Bold findfont 7 Changing them with a modified version of above awk script to /Courier-Bold findfont 12 and running ps2pdf and pdfcrop on it will give fonts too small compared to the tcltk GUI yet at slightly elevated vertical position (see the attached file testtone-crop.pdf). I am wondering what, as of 2017, is the best practice to pretty print pd patches in vector graphic format and hope to additionally find out why it is so hard to do. Thank you for your help and comments! Peter

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table to raw
by Simon Iten 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

dear list, what is the cleanest/best/easiest way to save a table of known size and “amplitude” (i.e. 8192 point from 0 to 1) to a raw 16bit audio file? i tried something with switch~ and writesf~ but writesf does not seem to support raw output and there is nothing written to the file anyway… cheers for some input.

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Re: [PD] Pd works in macOS High Sierra (10.13) (was: "Damaged Error" With 0.48 Test 2 Compiled For Mac)
by Dan Wilcox 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

The Carbon framework has been marked deprecated for a *long* time, so it could go in any new version, really. I never said it would be gone in 10.13, just that it "looks like" it will, but that's been the case for many versions now. In any case, moving to non-Carbon TK 8.5 on Mac will be worth it in the long run anyway as it ensures newer builds of vanilla will not suddenly stop working when Carbon is finally removed. > On Sep 26, 2017, at 11:04 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:07:54 -0300 > From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>> > To: "pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd works in macOS High Sierra (10.13) (was: "Damaged > Error" With 0.48 Test 2 Compiled For Mac) > Message-ID: > <CAEAsFmgk3L_b1=xCOErhfabLr40GmC8RGX4k8z8aug1-1Pf7YA(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAEAsFmgk3L_b1=xCOErhfabLr40GmC8RGX4k8z8aug1-1Pf7YA@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Ok, so I checked around, seems like Carbon has been deprecated since 2008 > with Mac OS Lion, it hasn't got any update since then, but it is still > around... and it doesn't seem it'll be completely removed so soon, huh? > > Just curious and wondering what are the risks Pd Extended will stop working > anytime in the near future... so this is one, what are the others? -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] Object sizing updates
by Dan Wilcox 26 Sep '17

26 Sep '17

Sweet, good to know. Most of the details came from Pd-extended really. I initially added vertical padding to things but walked that back as it doesn't seem to be needed based on the screenshots coming in. Another aspect is that this fixes horz layout issues so probably shouldn't bring in too many new vert layout issues :) I've also moved on to making zoom work overall, especially with the iem guis. At this point, I should probably split that off into a separate GitHub branch, but so far it's in that same PR. > On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:33 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:57:29 +0200 > From: Roman Haefeli <reduzent(a)gmail.com <mailto:reduzent@gmail.com>> > To: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Object sizing updates > Message-ID: <1506355049.2383.20.camel(a)gmail.com <mailto:1506355049.2383.20.camel@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sam, 2017-09-23 at 22:53 +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote: >> For those of you experiencing issues with object sizing problems with >> Pd 0.48, I might have a fix: >> >> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227> >> >> There is a test build for newer macs you can try out. It fixes the >> wide float and symbol atoms as well as introduces a few things of the >> old Pd-extended, including the extended font metrics. I increased the >> object vertical margins slightly due to the somewhat tighter spacing >> from the metrics and am satisfied the boxes are not too small which >> was my main issue with the changing the metrics alone. Feedback on >> this would be helpful, especially from those of you on Linux and >> Windows. >> >> This is meant as a bug fix for 0.48-1, so no bells and whistles, but >> my more complex GUIs now render in GOP again. > > Ah, good to know you, or rather your patches, are affected, too :-) > > Your changes look beautiful in my eyes. Symbol and float atom are still > one pixel less tall than object and message boxes, but I don't know if > you actually intended to make them the same. Box width is the same as > it was in 0.47/macOS 0.46/Ubuntu 14.04, at least for font size 10. > > Attached is a screenshot of the bugfix/metrics-sizing branch compiled > on macOS 10.11 (Tk 8.6.7) and Ubuntu 16.04 (Tk 8.6.5). Boxes do have > the same dimensions on each platform. > > Thanks for your work! -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Object sizing updates
by Dan Wilcox 25 Sep '17

25 Sep '17

For those of you experiencing issues with object sizing problems with Pd 0.48, I might have a fix: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227 <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227> There is a test build for newer macs you can try out. It fixes the wide float and symbol atoms as well as introduces a few things of the old Pd-extended, including the extended font metrics. I increased the object vertical margins slightly due to the somewhat tighter spacing from the metrics and am satisfied the boxes are not too small which was my main issue with the changing the metrics alone. Feedback on this would be helpful, especially from those of you on Linux and Windows. This is meant as a bug fix for 0.48-1, so no bells and whistles, but my more complex GUIs now render in GOP again. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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trim symbols?
by Hrvoje Radnic 23 Sep '17

23 Sep '17

Hi! I would like to display the name of the .wav file loaded from the HDD (using [openpanel]), but, without a full path and without the file extension. For example, [openpanel] outputs "symbol C:/Users/Hrvoje/Desktop/my_patches/SAMP_SEQ/samples/BD.wav" and I just want "BD" to be displayed. Is it possible in pd vanilla? Thank you for the help!Cheers! Hrvoje Radnic http://soundcloud.com/sumovi-protiv-valova 00385(0)915225162

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Re: [PD] trim symbols?
by Dan Wilcox 23 Sep '17

23 Sep '17

See [p_basename] in rc-patches: https://github.com/danomatika/rc-patches <https://github.com/danomatika/rc-patches> > On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:15 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:33:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: Hrvoje Radnic <hrvojeradnic(a)yahoo.com <mailto:hrvojeradnic@yahoo.com>> > To: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD] trim symbols? > Message-ID: <103677175.8276496.1506170016635(a)mail.yahoo.com <mailto:103677175.8276496.1506170016635@mail.yahoo.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi! > I would like to display the name of the .wav file loaded from the HDD (using [openpanel]), but, without a full path and without the file extension. For example, [openpanel] outputs "symbol C:/Users/Hrvoje/Desktop/my_patches/SAMP_SEQ/samples/BD.wav" and I just want "BD" to be displayed. Is it possible in pd vanilla? Thank you for the help!Cheers! Hrvoje Radnic -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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TCL plugins advices
by Jérôme Abel 23 Sep '17

23 Sep '17

Hi, I customed old tcl plugins and I wrote painfully two more here : http://reso-nance.org/public/pd-malinette/tclplugins.zip * colors edit/action mode * add the word "edit" or "action" when you change the mode * menu_tree with own objects * add your own menu I would like to have some feedbacks and understand tcltk for Pd and plugin mecanisms. To improve them and go further, I have some questions : * *Reference guide*. Is it the main resource about tclplugins : https://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins (+ pd-gui.tcl and other *.tcl files) ? * *Add text to the interface*. On the mode_label plugin, the behavior is strange, the text is superposed every time. If someone know about it... * *Colors themes*. I saw two pull requests about adding colors to the interface (https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/196, https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/162). A theme.txt file would be very easy to personnalize, or even better variables stored inside .pdsettings, stored in a second tab. Now, tcl plugins seems to be a good way to achieve that, but I didn't find some tricks : o start Pd with all colors setup, not after changing modes two times (strange behavior on the colors plugin). o add colors to distinguish between control & audio inlets/outlets. (like Pd-extended). Great feature for beginners. Also gemlist types would be nice. o add color to dashed rectangles when appears the error "couldn't create" (like Pd-extended) o the -fill and -activefill arguments on atoms (symbol, number) happened when the mouse is hover the border and the text, not hover the box. It could be really user-friendly (especially for symbol atom) to indicate a box is interactive by changing color of all the box when the mouse is hover. Is there a tcl argument for that ? * *Auto-completion* *plugin *(https://github.com/gusano/completion-plugin). Very handy, but the plugin does not add objects into canvas with pd048. The author does not have time to maintained it, and I don't see where is the problem. It is a very complex stuff (for me). * *Add media controllers to the Pd Window*.It could be logic to use the Pd window to hold customs media controllers : audio MASTER volume, pan + Gem dimensions switch + Arduino controller / ... Here a sketch of what it could be : http://reso-nance.org/public/pd-malinette/pd-malinette-interface.svg.png. If someone have some ideas how to implement this. ++ -- Jérôme Abel http://jeromeabel.net http://reso-nance.org

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GUI freeze
by Roman Haefeli 22 Sep '17

22 Sep '17

Hey all Apologies for a somewhat vague bug report about a hard to reproduce issues (yeah, everybody loves those). I tend to create instruments for netpd with lots of visual feeback (song position in sequencer, triggered notes, automated values, meters). Sometimes during sessions with rather many instruments, it happens what I (only half-correctly) call a GUI freeze. Sliders, number atoms, symbol atoms, radios etc. stop visually reflecting any change. They still do send new values through their outlet, but are not updated visually, neither when manually changed or when sending new values through inlet or send symbol. When it happens, it affects all GUI widgets of all patches the running Pd instance. It usually happens after an error is printed to the Pd console: (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x88d5c68.c" while executing ".x88d5c68.c delete curve8cc3d94" ("uplevel" body line 23) invoked from within "uplevel #0 $docmds" Interestingly, when I minimize a canvas and unminimize (or switch desktop away and back) it again, it all widgets display the current values, though live changes are still not updated. Also not all properties of the GUI widgets are affected. Label texts, label fonts, background, foreground and label colors, also cnv dimensions and similar things are still updated. Or in other words: Those aspects that work both ways (GUI -> pd and pd -> GUI) are affected, while the supplemental features of the widgets that can't be controlled by mouse (pd -> GUI only) are not affected. The situation persists until I restart Pd. That's again a vague statement, but I have the impression it got slightly worse when switching from 0.47 to 0.48. I'm not able to create a simple patch that triggers the GUI freeze. However, I have saved sessions that run reliably into this within minutes. Thanks for any thoughts on this. Roman

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problems and crashes - "warning: settings multiply defined" (on new hardware and OS - Debian 8 64-bit)
by Ingo 22 Sep '17

22 Sep '17

Hi everybody, I'm having issues with a pretty complex patch that I have written within several years - originally with pd-extended and Ubuntu 11.10 (32-bit - AMD CPU). Now I'm trying to port this to an Up-Board with an Intel CPU and Debian Jessie (64-bit). I have installed (almost) all libraries successfully. All patches and abstractions are loading successfully (except for [toxy/tot] and [iemlib/mp3play~]). Here's my problem: The patch(es) start up (loading over 600MB of samples) and sometimes actually work(s) fine but mostly it crashes during or after the startup. When it actually does start up it runs, sounds and responds just like the previous hardware with the old pd-extended and Ubuntu 11.10. However, on the pd-window I'm getting thousands of these messages: "warning: settings multiply defined" ('settings' is a table that holds most of the global settings of the patch(es)) Now I am wondering what the "warning: . multiply defined" means. I'm usually getting messages like this if I created a table twice by mistake. When using "Find" I only get one single table as my search result. Also that same patch doesn't give me this error on my older hardware and it never crashes. I have been running this patch with the old OS and the AMD hardware with pd-extended on more than 100 units for more than 5 years - no issues! I am now trying to eliminate more and more parts or abstractions from the patch to see when the error messages stop. Obviously this takes forever since I have already put years of work in there. Knowing what the "warning: . multiply defined" means would probably speed up the search. I'd absolutely appreciate any input or idea where to search. Thanks! Ingo

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