Pd-list April 2009

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embedded preferences...
by IOhannes m zmoelnig 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

hi all. i was wondering what the status of "embedded preferences" (that is: using a local preference file that is attached with a certain Pd-application rather than the global preferences valid for all Pd's on the system) for all platforms and the various tastes of Pd was. i know that you can embed a preference file in an osx-bundle in Pd-extended (at least since 0.40), and iirc this embedding has been accepted into Pd-vanilla as well (since version ?) i seem to remember that a similar mechanism exists on linux. i cannot remember anything about w32 (which might be more complicated, given that with w32 we are using the registry rather than a file that ships with Pd) so my question is: - is embedding preferences supported on all platforms? - is embedding preferences supported on both Pd-vanilla and Pd-extended? - what is the minimum version of Pd i need to acquire the usufruct (with regard to taste) fgamdsr IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation
by Alexandre Porres 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Hi, welll, so "someone" needs to take over? I would definately be interested on this. I do, nevertheless, feel I bit clueless as I dont know the way to the source of all objects. And cant really be an expert on things other than audio/music. I also consider rather unfair to be the work of only one ho has taken over. I do believe in forming a team, things like that. Anyway, with the convention this year and all, I hope to bring this issue into round tables and discussions, make some noise on the list to see if a small group would move a bit their asses to launch this out. I could kinda take it over this way. I could definately make the commitment. But I cant be the one and only. I am not even a Native Speaker/Writer of English. So please help me out here, I also need a partner to guide me and help me not getting so bit clueless. Cheers Alex

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Embedd Pure Data in BASIC Stamp?
by Adityo Pratomo 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Hi there everybody I just founded out that I have a BASIC Stamp board lying in my house, and I start to think about starting a project that involve this board. But the problem is can Pd actually be embedded in a BASIC Stamp? Or if not, can it be embedded in an ARduino board? I've noticed that there's PdA (Pure Data Anywhere). Can this be used for my project? Thank you all :) -- mataharipertama.wordpress.com kotakmakan.multiply.com

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mapping
by cyrille henry 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

hello, since i'm tired of useless discussion, i had to do something. i'm not really proud of this, but i did fork the mapping lib. so i'm back working on my own, just like i use to do with la-kitchen lib, before the mapping lib. i commited a puremapping folder in svn/abstraction/nusmuk all abstractions there should be vanilla-pd (expr free). they have no dependency except other puremapping abstractions. (exept pm object who need msd) this objects are most of the time compatible with same named abstractions on the la-kitchen folder, or on the mapping folder. however, i already debug few of the mapping abstraction... i also changed some abstractions name and add a few. i did not convert all mapping abstraction, i just convert the one i use. i could port other abstractions if there is a need, but i don't think there will be lot's of users... this also mean that i stop all development for the mapping lib, i'm now working only on the puremapping one. Cyrille

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64-bit builds for Mac OS X 10.5/Intel?
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

So there is a part-time Mac OS X 10.5/Intel build box running. This could run nightly-ish 64-bit builds if someone got the 64-bit builds working in the build system. I don't have time to do it, but I could help make sure it runs automatically if someone figures out the build flags. Basically, there is some infrastructure in place for it, I think it should be possible just by editing the CFLAGS and LDFLAGS in packages/ darwin_app/Makefile .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- kill your television

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Ded simple bass drum synth?
by J. Simon van der Walt 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

What a lot of filters there are in Pd... still trying to get more Pd and less Max/MSP, I needed a quick and dirty electro bass drum for testing, but resorted to tried and tested; [click~] | [reson~ 200 80 4] What would someone with Pd instincts do? Cheers, JS

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Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation
by Jean-Noël Montagné 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

> It would be good to have >standards on how articles should be formatted and what kind of >information should be presented. yes I agree. At the origin in 2006..., I have suggested to some french PDers the following features: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * a lexicon-dictionary about objects/externals/abstractions ( Done) * a category search portal ( one of the most important feature for pd newbies ), like in Wikipedia portal http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Catégories ( to do) Example of category search: PD==>Graphics==>Video==>Live==>Effects==>Blending==> pix_add /pix_subtract /pix_diff /pix_composite/ pix_multiply/ PDP_blend ( fiction...) * multilingual structure as Wikipedia ( very important for educational uses in the world where people will stay with commercial software just for this reason ( France for example)) (Done) future options, when the database will be completed enough: * tools or wiki tags for visualizing patches ( parsing of the patch code to create an image of the patch, server side) and downloading text patches from PDpedia * Pdpedia database embedded with PD extended ( when completed) for offline consulting * in PD: a contextual help with access to the related pdpedia page (in PD itself or online) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- About the formatting of one page, I have suggested the rubriques: --------------------- (from the body of the page) Nature of the element (object/external/abstraction/ Short Definition Generalities (long definition) Compatibility ( wich versions of pd) * Inlets Outlets Arguments Messages * Warnings and incompatibilities Tricks and alternative ways to do it Examples ( expanded help file+ other examples with pictures), links to video examples Tutorials on this element, links to videos Associated objects, related objects Equivalents in similar open source softwares * Author(s) of the object, links Contributors of this page. ---------- (from the infobox) name ultra short description abbreviation library author developer release version release date dependencies license website programming language platform (i.e Windows, Mac OS X, GNU/Linux) operating system (i.e. Windows XP, Windows 2000, Mac OS X 10.3, Debian, etc.) language data type distribution (i.e. Pd-vanilla, pd-extended, pure:dyne, etc) link to the code ------------------------------------------------------------------------- about the work to do on the PDpedia, I have suggested to organize PDpedia Parties: It's a on day or two days fiesta gathering, where PDers decide: -first : how many objects they will document, and wich objects ( 5 per person during 3 hours for example) -then they document individually, in a fiesta atmosphère, during a limited amount of time. -then, they create collective(s) performance(s) in a complete fiesta atmosphere I have also suggested that all PD teachers should give time in their workshops for the students to document on PDpedia the object they are discovering. ----------------- Of course, PDpedia is a long term project. There are also many initiatives like the great FLOSSmanuals, or videopedia to produce tutorials. Because of the 2500 objects/elements, the PDpedia is more on the encyclopedic aspect. 2500 objects and more could be completed in many languages in five years, if the community understand how politically important is to help newbies to use such tools with documentation facilities. Documenting is not sometimes very sexy, that's why I suggest to organise PDpedia parties. ----------------- and yes, I agree, there is a need for some maintainers ( I can not do it at this time), for an antispam system with a captcha or similar stuff. JN > >2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres <porresgmail.com>: > > so we need :someone" to manage the system, ok, but then I see that this > > problem is kinda well solved, right? > > But how do you all see the writting of articles? Is it growing out well? I > > believe "someone" could also direct how things are going, and that a main > > team could work on it by fomenting its development and all... > > right? > >Something like a WikiProject on wikipedia? It would be good to have >standards on how articles should be formatted and what kind of >information should be presented. I see there has been some effort to >generate a standard layout for an article on an object, with inlets, >outlets, arguments and messages as separate sections; but I can't find >a good article to serve as an example for how all articles should >look. The best I can find is: >http://wiki.puredata.info/en/dac~ >http://wiki.puredata.info/en/metro >If more articles looked like this, I think pdpedia would be much more useful. > >Do we want pdpedia to just be a reference manual of objects, or do we >also want to include design patterns such as the [pack 0 0 0 0 >0]/[unpack 0 0 0 0 0] idiom mentioned elsethread, tutorials, good >practices and suchlike? >

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Re: [PD] (Ask) Master Degree in New Media Arts
by Adityo Pratomo 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Wow, thank you so much everybody, now I think I have to prepare my portofolio, as you guys have given me so much information on where to continue my study. Thank you very much everyone! :D

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mapping: path setting hell
by Frank Barknecht 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Hallo, why is it, that to be able to simply read the help file for "center_point" in "mapping" I have to add four (4!) paths to my .pdrc or the command line? Here are the paths I need to set and their reasons: 1) SVN/externals - otherwise [center_point] isn't found 2) SVN/externals/mapping - to find [mapping/reverse] and [mapping/disjoin] 3) SVN/abstractions/ - to find [purepd/float_argument], [purepd/purepd_error] and [purepd/once] 4) SVN/abstractions/purepd - to find [float_argument] Ciao -- Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__

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DIY GSoC: getting those projects done
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

So now we have a nice collection of projects sketched out from the GSoC application, let's encourage people to take them on. If anyone wants to get involved with Pd development, take a look at the project ideas and if you are interested, then ask about them on the list and we can get started. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas2009 I think next time someone else should take on the GSoC application process. I'm 2 for 2 at not getting it, I've never had much luck with grants. And we have lots of well-sketched out projects. We should probably chuck the application part and start from scratch. .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne

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