Pd-list September 2007

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Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
by JNM 07 Sep '07

07 Sep '07

>well there is quite many pd-related sites already, i thought > >why pdpedia is needed ? As a primo-supporter of the idea in France, let me try to explain. There are main reasons: 1/ there is no dictionnary or lexicon about the 3000 objects/externals/abstraction usable in PD. Most of the ressources about those components are spread over a hundred sites, and help patches are not made to explain all about one component. 2/ the actual documentation is static. Once made, (most of the time) by the developper and published somewhere on the web, there are few possibilities for the community to correct, complete, translate or improve the quality of this documentation. 3/ the actual documentation is mainly in English ==> impossible to persuade some schools to use open source software in many countries without localised documentation ( I have seen this case many times in France). 4/ most of the coders are not good documenters. Sometimes they don't document ( exept the help patch), because they don't like this work, or because they don't know how to do it clean. The pedagogic aspect of a documentation is important for newbies. As in Wikipedia, everyone should have the possibility to improve one of the 3000 components in a few clicks, and publish it instantaneously to all the community. 5/ there is no tool to know which object/external/abstraction is available for the use people need for their patch. Learning the 3000 components needs a life or autistic capacities. Pdpedia will have both a category portal and a search engine. ------------ The pdpedia project is to build a living/open/collective/multilingual encyclopedy about each of the actual 3000 possible components in a PD patch. Each page of PDpedia can welcome many rubriques as those we have published here for test last year http://pdpedia.dreamhosters.com/index.php?title=Menu (not completed, and for test only) Many advantages output from a wikipedia-like process: -The users can be contributors of the documentation. -The users can be translators of the documentation. -The pdpedia file can be (automatically) embbeded in each new pd release or nightly build giving the possibility to have a complete doc offline. -The pdpedia database can be easily edited in paper or booklets with wikimedia tools. -The pdpedia database server engine could in the future "understand" text patches and translate them into images. -Reversely, a click on a patch image in your browser could open the patch in PD ? and many other possibilities. But for my opinion, the main advantage is that the users collaborate to make the best clear and useful documentation, like in wikipedia. JN PS. just in case, the pdpedia.org DNS has been bought for one year by our non-profit org last october, and we offer it to PD community if needed. Otherwise, the name will be automatically deleted in one month. -- --------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Noël Montagné http://www.artsens.org http://www.craslab.org http://www.fluxtation.org ---------------------------------------------------------

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compiling pd extended from CVS
by eric labelle 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

Hi I'm trying to compile extended from the CVS and everytime I get the same error on my openSUSE box: g++ -c -g -O2 -fPIC -freg-struct-return -O3 -falign-loops=32 -falign-functions=32 -falign-jumps=32 -funroll-loops -ffast-math -mmmx -I/usr/include/lqt -I.. -I/home/dubian/pure-data/pd/src libfidtrack_fidtrackX.cpp -o libfidtrack_fidtrackX.o ../Pixes/filmMPEG3.h:70: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'mpeg3_t' with no type ../Pixes/filmMPEG3.h:70: error: expected ';' before '*' token filmMPEG3.cpp: In constructor 'filmMPEG3::filmMPEG3(int)': filmMPEG3.cpp:37: error: 'mpeg_file' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp: In member function 'virtual void filmMPEG3::close()': filmMPEG3.cpp:53: error: 'mpeg_file' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:53: error: 'mpeg3_close' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:54: error: 'mpeg_file' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp: In member function 'virtual bool filmMPEG3::open(char*, int)': filmMPEG3.cpp:63: error: 'mpeg3_check_sig' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:64: error: 'mpeg_file' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:64: error: 'mpeg3_open' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:65: error: 'mpeg3_has_video' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:69: error: 'mpeg3_total_vstreams' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:72: error: 'mpeg3_video_frames' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:73: error: 'mpeg3_frame_rate' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:75: error: 'mpeg3_video_width' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:76: error: 'mpeg3_video_height' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp: In member function 'virtual pixBlock* filmMPEG3::getFrame()': filmMPEG3.cpp:118: error: 'mpeg_file' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:122: error: 'MPEG3_RGBA8888' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:123: error: 'mpeg3_read_frame' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:139: error: 'mpeg_file' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:139: error: 'mpeg3_read_yuvframe_ptr' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp: In member function 'virtual int filmMPEG3::changeImage(int, int)': filmMPEG3.cpp:157: error: 'mpeg_file' was not declared in this scope filmMPEG3.cpp:157: error: 'mpeg3_set_frame' was not declared in this scope make[3]: *** [filmMPEG3.o] Error 1 make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dubian/pure-data/Gem/src/Pixes' make[2]: *** [Pixes] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dubian/pure-data/Gem/src' make[1]: *** [/home/dubian/pure-data/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dubian/pure-data/packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 Is this because I'm missing a dependency? Thanks for your help! Eric

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Re: [PD] How to make a loop with [pdp_theorin~]?
by ydegoyon＠free.fr 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

Javier García wrote: > Hi! > > i dont know how to make a loop with [pdp_theorin~]. > > For example with [pdp_qt] you just have to send [loop $1< > > Can you help me? > > br. > GARFF > > _________________________________________________________________ > Acepta el reto MSN Premium: Correos más divertidos con fotos y textos increíbles en MSN Premium. Descárgalo y pruébalo 2 meses gratis. http://join.msn.com?XAPID=1697&DI=1055&HL=Footer_mailsenviados_correosmasdi… > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > hala, it gives you a bang on 4th outlet when the file is finished.. and, furthermore, thehelp patch is actually looping, look it well... saludos, sevy

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Re: [PD] Music Video done with Pd/Gem
by Thomas Mayer 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

Vircy Parker wrote: > curious! Can you explain how did you save the video? I've used [pix_write] to get .jpg images and then combined these to a movie and added the audio via mencoder: mencoder -mf fps=17.79 -ffourcc DX50 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=9800:aspect=4/3:vhq:keyint=15 -audiofile verspuckte_Schlucke.mp3 -oac copy -vf scale=640:480 -o residuum-verspuckte_schlucke.avi mf://*.jpg Actually, the capturing is quite CPU consuming, the patch was running with 40 fps, but after a calculation of the number of screenshots, I only got 17.79 fps, and that on a fairly new laptop computer I have borrowed for that purpose (my machine was way to slow). cu Thomas -- "Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance." (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://thomas.dergrossebruder.org/

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pyode external
by Thomas Grill 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

Hi Frank, i just wanted to have a look at your pyode external, but can't find it. Is it still lying in your private treasure chest? greetings, Thomas

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A polyphonic synthesizer and some music made with it
by Phil Stone 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

Hello list, Submitted for your approval, a cpu-stingy polyphonic synthesizer with sssad state-saving: http://www.pkstonemusic.com/polyWaveSynth.html Here's some music I made with it: http://www.pkstonemusic.com/pubmusic.html Phil Stone

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Re: [PD] problem compiling "pool"! help please
by Thomas Grill 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

Hi, it's listed as one of the prerequisites in readme.txt that you need to have the pd source code (and adjust the paths to it) to be able to compile flext. Just using a pd installation is not enough as the g_canvas.h header file might be missing there. greetings, Thomas Am 06.09.2007 um 10:48 schrieb F R E N K: > hey! > > thanx for the quick reply!! > > i checked both flext and pool with all the "externals" folder > > yet when i tried to compile flext i got a big big error (prepare): > > furenku@furenku:~/cvs/externals/grill/flext$ sudo bash build.sh pd gcc > make -f ./buildsys/gnumake-sub.mak PLATFORM=lnx RTSYS=pd > COMPILER=gcc BUILDPATH=./buildsys/ PKGINFO=package.txt > BUILDCLASS=flext USRCONFIG=config.txt USRMAKE=build/gnumake-lnx- > gcc.inc TARGETMODE=release TARGETTYPE=single _build_ > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/furenku/cvs/externals/grill/flext' > mkdir -p pd-linux/release-single/ > g++ -c -msse -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -O3 -march=pentium4 - > pthread -fPIC -DFLEXT_USE_SIMD -DNDEBUG -DFLEXT_EXPORTS - > DFLEXT_SYS=2 -DPD -I/usr/local/src/pd/src -I/usr/local/include/stk - > I/usr/local/include/sndobj source/flbase.cpp -o pd-linux/release- > single/flbase.opp > source/flbase.cpp:29:22: error: g_canvas.h: No such file or directory > source/flbase.cpp: In static member function ‘static bool > flext_obj_single::GetParamSym(t_atom&, const t_symbol*, _glist*)’: > source/flbase.cpp:130: error: ‘canvas_realizedollar’ was not > declared in this scope > source/flbase.cpp:133: error: ‘canvas_realizedollar’ was not > declared in this scope > make[1]: *** [pd-linux/release-single/flbase.opp] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/furenku/cvs/externals/grill/flext' > make: *** [build-release-single] Error 2 > > the first time , a config.txt was created > > the contents of which are: > > # comment out to inhibit SIMD (Altivec/SSE) usage > SIMD=1 > > its not so big after all, maybe you know what i am doing wrong? > > thanx in advance, > > Rodrigo > > Prueba Live.com- Tu página persoanlizada con todas las cosas que te > interesan en un solo lugar. En un solo lugar

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select backward compatibility
by Patrice Colet 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

Hello, I've updated on some computer pd-0.37 to 0.40, and passed a lot of time to find out an error caused by [select], attached is the mistake I've found out in my old, huge, and ugly patch. With simple words, could you people make something with error messages to not wasting hours of debbugging, many thanks in advance for any effort in that way, :).

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pdpedia test sites
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

I set up some Pdpedia test sites, http://pdpedia.at.or.at/fr/ http://pdpedia.at.or.at/en/ http://pdpedia.at.or.at/test/ Let's try them out. Next, I need to setup the shared pool for media files, like images, oggs, etc. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic

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Re: [PD] 2. Re: pdpedia URL structure
by JNM 06 Sep '07

06 Sep '07

>Marius wrote: >Honestly, I think english is the language to use. who will translate pd >help into chinese, russian, german, french, portuguese, spanish... Many people.... it's not a problem when the documentation is an open and collective process and a permanent work-in-progress. Wikipedia shows that an open collaborative documentation can interest many different communities. Other languages appear when other communities or personnalities need the translations. That's the force of an open source project. For example: we have selected fifty basic objects to learn in our PD evening-courses. For this fifty objects we will translate all the fifty PDpedia pages (in french). Because we have a dozen PD teatchers, and each PD teatchers can translate few pages. Because PD students will have to translate some pages, as a gift to an open source project. Because we don't teach in English. For our high-level PD workshops, we will translate many other pdpedia object-pages. And we are a lot of classic or alternative school to adopt PD instead of Max. In a few years, all 3000 PD objects could be translated in french. PDpedia should not be a classic documentation, but a permanent encyclopedia of each object, a work in progress, a LIVING documentation like wikipedia, because the process of changing a word in a page is a matter of seconds and a few clics. >Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I've been doing some research on how to handle multiple languages for > > the pdpedia. I am thinking of setting up the URL structure like this: about the url structure, I think it's less important than the facility to reach the localised page, like in wikipedia. That's one of the reason why we started a rapid test with wikimedia engine instead of another wiki engine http://pdpedia.dreamhosters.com/index.php , because of the experience in multilingual encyclopedy. ( and because all websurfers know the clear interface of wikipedia) ciao viva JN

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Pd-list September 2007