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event history
by Mathieu Bouchard 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

keyboard/mouse event history for DesireData http://artengine.ca/desiredata/gallery/event_history.png _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada

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pathname of parent patch?
by Julian Peterson 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

Hello all-- Is there a way to get the directory of the parent patch? I have an object (csoundapi) which does it's own path handling and does not automatically search the directory of the parent patch. This severely limits the portability of a patch. Is there an object or method of getting the directory of the parent patch for use with makefilename? The only post I've found on this issue is this one: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2004-03/018656.html JP

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Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 49
by Baran Gulesen 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

hello people I want to use vsti plug-in with pd. How can I do this? which object help me? thanks for your answers

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how to make a proportional canon
by Libero Mureddu 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

Hello, I´m trying to implement a patch to play proportional canons in real time from a midi source. A proportional canon works in this way: if I play, let´s say, three notes at 200ms of speed, and if I decide that the proportion should be 2 times slower, the patch should playback the same three notes at 400ms speed. I thought I could record the distance between notes with timer, and then send the time difference (multiplied by a certain factor), to pipe, but it seems that pipe cannot handle the change of delay time, if more than one change in delay has to be stored before playing back the previous. Do you have any suggestion? In other words, what I would like to do is to record and at the same time (or later) playing back at a slower speed. Thanks a lot Libero -- Libero Mureddu Vanha Viertotie, 21 as 417 00350 Helsinki Finland http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/ http://www.myspace.com/liberomureddu

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Re: [PD] how to make a proportional canon
by Libero Mureddu 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

Wow, thanks, I´ll check your example . Do you think my approach is reliable too? I´d like to have some opinions about. Regards, Libero > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:11:13 +0100 > From: Andy Farnell <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [PD] how to make a proportional canon > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <20070711061113.4f99d00c.padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > Have you tried using lists? A list of values interpreted as pairs of a > something and a time interval ( where the something is a note value or > pointer) > make an easy way if you want to stretch or shrink the sequence in time, > just > scale all the time delays. > > A list sequencer takes a list in one go. It splits the first value off as > a note > and plays it to the output, then chomps the next element from the list and > treats > it as a delay to wait. After that delay time, it gives the rest of list > (minus > the last two elements) back to itself and does it all again.... > > So this list plays note 44, waits 125ms then plays note 50.... > > [44 125 50 125 44 250 52( > > until it runs out of elements. > > In attached example you can scale the speed using horizontal radio bar, it > just multiplies all the time values by {0.25, 0.5, 1, 2, 4...} > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:23:29 +0300 > "Libero Mureddu" <libero.mureddu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I?m trying to implement a patch to play proportional canons in real time > > from a midi source. > > A proportional canon works in this way: if I play, let?s say, three > notes at > > 200ms of speed, and if I decide that the proportion should be 2 times > > slower, the patch should playback the same three notes at 400ms speed. > > > > I thought I could record the distance between notes with timer, and then > > send the time difference (multiplied by a certain factor), to pipe, but > it > > seems that pipe cannot handle the change of delay time, if more than one > > change in delay has to be stored before playing back the previous. > > > > Do you have any suggestion? > > > > In other words, what I would like to do is to record and at the same > time > > (or later) playing back at > > a slower speed. > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Libero > > -- > > Libero Mureddu > > Vanha Viertotie, 21 as 417 > > 00350 Helsinki > > Finland > > http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/ > > http://www.myspace.com/liberomureddu > > > > > -- > Use the source >

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R: PD-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43
by alfonso.santimone＠tin.it 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

mi pareva di aver già espresso il mio beloved ... ...rieccolo.. beloved lowe ----Messaggio originale---- Da: pd-list-request(a)iem.at Data: 9- lug-2007 9.53 PM A: <pd-list(a)iem.at> Ogg: PD-list Digest, Vol 28, Issue 43 Send PD-list mailing list submissions to pd-list(a)iem.at To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists. puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pd-list-request(a)iem.at You can reach the person managing the list at pd-list-owner(a)iem.at When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Poll: Ctrl-click to toggle editmode (Hans-Christoph Steiner) 2. Re: pd-ext 39-2 rc4 (deb package) crashing with gop editing (Kevin McCoy) 3. Re: Poll: Ctrl-click to toggle editmode (Kevin McCoy) 4. Re: Poll: Ctrl-click to toggle editmode (Hans-Christoph Steiner) 5. Re: Poll: Ctrl-click to toggle editmode (Charles Henry) 6. Re: Poll: Ctrl-click to toggle editmode (Hans-Christoph Steiner) 7. Re: External with custom gui (Hans-Christoph Steiner) _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD- list(a)iem.at to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Re: [PD] Sending Data form Max/Msp to PD via upd
by hans w. koch 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

hi alex, always use the combo-updater, even for small steps like 10.4.3-> 10.4.4 there is one for upgrading to 10.4.10, which contains all the necessary stuff. you will find your version on apples site. you might experience troubles with max/msp (i personally didn´t ), check out cycling74 site for information about the "update prebinding script". hope that helps hans > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:32:18 +0200 > From: "alexandre r. decoupigny" <alex.decoupigny(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Sending Data form Max/Msp to PD via upd > To: mis(a)artengine.ca > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: > <630f1f20707081532r2356f533q419c4ea96d39d8f7(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You may also try doing something like [import mrpeach] before you call >> [mrpeach/udpreceive]. >> > > > thanks .. that worked.. im in berlin....updated to 10.4.4.. had a > lot of > trouble, since the 10.4.3 update that i downloaded from the apple > support > site fucked up my whole system.. thanks to apple !!!!! had to > update from a > dvd... now im a bit scared.. anybody any good advice why this > happened ? or > a good way to get to 10.4.10 without too many worries?? ... thanks > again > michal.. > > alex >

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[PD-announce] Research fellowship application
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Jul '07

10 Jul '07

Begin forwarded message: > From: Locus Sonus <admin(a)locusonus.org> > Date: July 5, 2007 6:59:57 PM EDT > To: locusonews(a)locusonus.org > Subject: [locusonews] Research fellowship application > Delivered-To: hans(a)eds.org > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) > > LOCUS SONUS NEWSLETTER > http://locusonus.org/ > > > __________________________________________ > (French version below) > ________________________________________________ > Open Call > Locus Sonus Lab is recruting 3 research fellows for the academic > year 2007/2008. > > Locus Sonus is a research group specialized in audio art > (involving the participating schools: École Supérieure d’Art > d’Aix-en-Provence, École Nationale Supérieure d’Art de > Nice Villa Arson and the École Supérieure des Beaux-Arts de Marseille) > in collaboration with CNRS/MMSH/LAMES Laboratory of the University > of Provence . > > Locus Sonus experiments and evaluates the innovative and > transdisciplinary > nature of audio art forms in a lab-type context. > Locus Sonus is also concerned with the communal, collective or > multi-user > aspects inherent to many emerging audio practices, which involve > working > as a group. This research concentrates on two main themes - > sound in relation to space and network audio systems. > The "Lab" proposes a process combining practical artistic experiment > and critical evaluation within a group context. > _________________________________________________ > Application Deadline > > September 1st 2007 > Candidates should be available for interview at the Art School in > Aix-en-Provence, France on September 6th 2007 > www.ecole-art-aix.fr > > _________________________________________________ > Selection Criteria > > The Locus Sonus is a post graduate programme open to highly > motivated researchers and artists interested in audio practices > Eligible applicants include: art school graduates or university > graduates in art, music, science and technology . > > Qualifications and skills: > candidates should posess skills in at least two of the areas listed > below : > - PureData, Max/MSP, etc. (control, synthesis, > sound spatialization, etc.) > - 3D & virtual reality > - Networks (PHP, streaming, LSL, etc.) > - Systems administration & unix/linux > - Electronics (sensors, interactivity, etc.) > - Design & construction, (installation) > _______________________________________________ > Terms and Conditions > > Successfull candidates will receive a monthly salary and will be > expected to take part in > teaching activities in the 3 art schools (seminars, presentations > and workshops..) > Candidates should be available throughout the year and will be > expected to take > up residency in the Aix en Provence / Marseille area. > _________________________________________________ > Research Programme 2007/2008 > Audio 'Extranauts'. > (Contractual agreement between the CNRS & French Ministry of Culture) > > "Emerging Practices in Sound and Acoustics Linked to Network > Technologies" > > Laboratoire Locus Sonus > http://locusonus.org/ > Laboratoire de sociologie LAMES-UMR 6127 > http://www.mmsh.univ-aix.fr/lames/ > > The research programme includes multiple projects, proposed > and developed by Locus Sonus in collaboration with the LAMES > Research group. > > These projects result from a continual process of artistic > experimentation > concerning interaction between physical and virtual acoustics, > while taking into account social and geographical factors. > The term "extranaut" is used here to designate the behaviour > of individuals or communities who navigate between online > and offline spaces or activities. > _________________________________________________ > Locus Sonus Research Lab > > Current Fields of Research: > > - The permutations of network-based projects in physical space. > (virtual worlds, online performance, installations) > -The emergence and and significance of renewable media (flux) as > artistic forms. > -The impact of mobile technologies on art. > > Documents to be downloaded : > http://locusonus.org/ : > - Audio Extranauts program (in French) > - Locus Sonus 2006/2007 > > _________________________________________________ > Submission Materials > > The candidates are asked provide the following: > - Application Form > - Contact details: name, address, email and telephone number > > - a biography and CV > - Documentation of previous work. > - a letter defining the position of the candidate in relation to > the proposed research programme in terms of: > > .Artistic production, > Cultural theoretical and technical issues, > Interest in Collective practice and teamwork. > > Format : > - attached pdf file only to be sent by email > - Selected additional audiovisual information (e.g. audio and video > files) to be downloaded /consulted online > > > _________________________________________________ > Selection > > The candidates will be selected by a jury represented by > - Research directors : Jérôme Joy et Peter > Sinclair, > - The Directors of the three art schools involved > - Members of the scientific committee > > Deadline : September 1st 2007 > > Please send your application ( via email only) : admin(a)locusonus.org > Any queries concerning your application should be addressed to: > admin(a)locusonus.org > Recruitment is on a one-year basis (renewable for a further 2 > years) from October 1st 2007 > > > Documents can be downloaded from : > > http://locusonus.org/ > > _________________________________________________ > Locus Sonus Lab > Research Directors : Jérôme Joy, Peter Sinclair > Co-ordinator : Anne Roquigny > Director : Jean-Paul Ponthot > > _________________________________________________ > For further information contact:- > Anne Roquigny > Locus Sonus > École Supérieure d'Art d'Aix-en-Provence > Rue Émile Tavan > 13100 Aix-en-Provence > Tel: +33 6 62 11 04 54 > admin(a)locusonus.org > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > _________________________________________________ > Appel à candidature: > > Pour l'année 2007/2008, le laboratoire Locus Sonus recrute trois > nouveaux membres pour son équipe de recherche. > > Locus Sonus est un laboratoire de recherche audio in art (École > Supérieure d'Art d'Aix-en-Provence, École Nationale Supérieure d'Art > de Nice Villa Arson, École Supérieure des Beaux-Arts de Marseille) > associé au laboratoire de recherche CNRS/MMSH/LAMES de l'Université > de Provence. Son objectif est d'expérimenter les aspects innovateurs > et transdisciplinaires des formes artistiques sonores en combinant > l'expérimentation pratique et l'évaluation critique selon deux axes: > audio en espace, audio en réseau. > > Date de limite de dépôt candidature: 1er septembre 2007 > (l'entretien avec le jury aura lieu le 6 septembre 2007 à l'École > Supérieure d'Art d'Aix-en-Provence) > > _________________________________________________ > Profil des candidats et candidates: > > Le 3ème cycle Locus Sonus est ouvert aux artistes (création sonore, > composition musicale, installation, performance) et chercheurs > (développeurs, programmeurs, etc.), français et étrangers, issus des > cursus des Écoles des Beaux-Arts, des Départements d'Université (Art, > Sciences ou Technologies) et des Classes de Composition des > Conservatoires de Musique. > > Les candidats devront avoir au moins deux des compétences requises > suivantes: > - programmation PureData, Max/MSP, etc. (contrôle, synthèse et > spatialisation du son, etc.) > - environnements 3D > - technologies réseaux (PHP, streaming, LSL, etc.) > - technologies systèmes (Linux, etc.) > - développement électronique (captation, interactivité, etc.) > - construction, installation, réalisation plastiques. > > > _________________________________________________ > Conditions financières: > Les candidats auront une rémunération mensuelle et se verront confier > des charges de cours dans les 3 Écoles (cours/atelier, workshops, > etc.). Les candidats devront être disponibles toute l'année pour le > laboratoire et s'installer sur Aix/Marseille. > > > _________________________________________________ > Programme de recherche 2007/2008: > > Objet de la recherche: > Audio Extranautes. Les nouvelles perspectives de l'espace acoustique > dans ses prolongements via les réseaux électroniques. > (Accord-cadre CNRS/Ministère de la Culture) > > Laboratoire Locus Sonus > http://locusonus.org/ > Laboratoire de sociologie LAMES-UMR 6127 > http://www.mmsh.univ-aix.fr/lames/ > > > Le programme de recherche comprend plusieurs projets menés par Locus > Sonus en collaboration avec le laboratoire LAMES. > Ces projets issus des expérimentations artistiques continues évoluent > sur des questions d'interaction entre espaces physiques/virtuels d'un > point de vue acoustique mais également social et géographique > (Locustream, Tuner, Wimicam, Promenade, etc.). La notion d'extranaute > interroge, dans un sens élargi, l'individu ou la communauté naviguant > et actant dans des va-et-vient entre le on-line et le off-line. > > Pistes d'expérimentation, de développement et de réalisation: > • manifestations dans l'espace physique de projets en réseau > (extranautes, mondes virtuels, nouvelles scénarités, etc.) > • signification de l'apparition des “flux” comme forme d'expression > (streaming, instable media, etc.) > • impact des technologies mobiles sur la création artistique (sans > fil, interfaces de performance, captation et diffusion, etc.) > > Documents à télécharger sur http://locusonus.org/ : > - programme de recherche Audio Extranautes > - réalisations Locus Sonus 2006/2007 > > > > _________________________________________________ > Dossier de candidature / pièces à fournir: > > Les candidats devront envoyer un dossier comprenant: > - une biographie et cv détaillé > - une documentation de projets réalisés > - une note d'intention faisant ressortir la position du candidat(e) > en regard du programme de recherche proposé: > • les problématiques d'expérimentation et de réalisation artistique, > • les enjeux théoriques, réflexifs et techniques, > • la dimension du travail collectif en équipe > > Format du dossier: > • documents attachés en pdf exclusivement (envoi par mail) > • dossier complet et tout autre media de documentation (mp3,video, > etc.) à consulter ou à télécharger en ligne. > > Ces candidats seront sélectionnés par un jury constitué par : > - les directeurs de recherche de Locus Sonus: Jérôme Joy et Peter > Sinclair, > - les directeurs pédagogiques des trois Écoles, > - les membres du Conseil Scientifique. > > Date délai de remise du dossier: 1er septembre 2007 (par voie > électronique exclusivement) > Adresse d'envoi du dossier: admin(a)locusonus.org > Durée de la session: 1 an renouvelable (octobre 2007/octobre 2008) > Début de la session: 1er octobre 2007 > > Informations et dossier de candidature à télécharger sur > http://locusonus.org/ > > _________________________________________________ > Laboratoire Locus Sonus > Directions de recherche: Jérôme Joy, Peter Sinclair > Coordination du laboratoire: Anne Roquigny > Coordination générale: Jean-Paul Ponthot > > _________________________________________________ > Contact et renseignements: > Anne Roquigny > Locus Sonus > École Supérieure d'Art d'Aix-en-Provence > Rue Émile Tavan > 13100 Aix-en-Provence > Tel: +33 6 62 11 04 54 > admin(a)locusonus.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ::::::::: Locusonews ::::::::: Locus Sonus newsletter ::::::::: > http://locusonus.org/ > __________________________________________ > List-Unsubscribe:locusonews-request@neuromancer.villa-arson.org? > subject=unsubscribe > List-Info: http://lists.villa-arson.org/mailman/listinfo/locusonews ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Instantiating an array field in a struct
by Samuel Rye 09 Jul '07

09 Jul '07

Hi all, I've been playing around with Pure Data data structures for the first time, and I've managed to create a simple struct with two float fields and instantiate the struct in a pd subpatch. However, I can't figure out how to create an array field in a struct (as in making a breakpoint envelope). i.e. I can create these by using the [append] object: [struct point float x float y] But I can figure out how to build these: [ struct points array array1 point ] Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, -Brendan

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pd-extended 39-2 rc3 spectral crash
by Kevin McCoy 09 Jul '07

09 Jul '07

Hans, list, I was thrilled to hear that delay objects and sqrt~ objects were fixed for rc3. While it seems the delay objects are fine, when I am doing my spectral/vocoding work, pd will freeze and lock up my whole machine - I don't hear the cpu go up or anything, everything just stops responding entirely. My only choice is to restart. I am using the rc3 for Ubuntu Edgy, I think, on Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04 I am having a hard time narrowing it down to a specific object/issue. I have attached my specgate~ gop which causes the crash every time within about 10 seconds. Could other linux or pd-ext users please test this? I can't get any crash logs it seems because the whole computer locks up and becomes unresponsive - a rather nasty bug. I don't see anything in the terminal even with -verbose. It shouldn't be with the gui objects because i have many others that work totally fine. My vocoding abstraction produces the same lock-up, but not as quickly it seems. So I suspect it is either with vectral~ (from cyclone) or the q8_sqrt~ object. I cannot be sure though because most of the time it crashes before I can change anything. I am not so proficient at text editing pd patches :) I am still relatively new to linux so if anyone knows a way to reclaim the machine when X stops responding and won't let you switch to other terminals or ctrl-alt-backspace, let me know. Maybe I could get some better info then and save myself a couple minutes from having to restart. Kevin -- ++++ http://pocketkm.blogspot.com

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