Pd-list November 2006

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text3d / textoutline
by Romain Vuillet 01 Dec '06

01 Dec '06

Hello list, i need to display some text in GEM... Even with the GEM examples patchs, objets text3d & text outline doesn't work (nothing appears in GEM window) Do i need some extra libraires ? thanks RomainV

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newbie: Feedback and questions
by David F. Place 01 Dec '06

01 Dec '06

Hello PD Virtuosi: Imagine my delight when I first enrolled in the PD list a few days ago to find that you've all resolved to give up grumpiness so as not to put off newbies like me! It gave me courage to put forward my first effort for criticism and feedback. The patch implements a tone generator for Pythagorean tuning with syntonic comma offsets. I hope it will help my renaissance flute consort to learn to play in just intonation in the style of Zarlino. So, it has to be usable by non-electronic music people. It does what I want. I would appreciate if anyone could review it for style and understanding. I suspect that I have done some unnecessary things do to my imperfect understanding One thing in particular that it does in a way I don't like is setting the note name. I would prefer to pass the note name as an argument to the noteSelector abstraction instead of having that bit of [set( and [send] circuitry off to the side of the noteSelector, but I couldn't figure out how. Thanks in advance for your attention. Cheers, David #N canvas 33 25 349 877 12; #X floatatom -20 76 5 0 0 2 frequency - -; #X obj -19 36 r \$0-freq; #X obj -20 255 s \$0-note; #X msg -20 231 set D-natural; #X obj -18 308 s \$0-note; #X obj -21 363 s \$0-note; #X obj -23 419 s \$0-note; #X obj -21 473 s \$0-note; #X obj -21 526 s \$0-note; #X obj -21 582 s \$0-note; #X obj -21 637 s \$0-note; #X obj -22 687 s \$0-note; #X obj -23 741 s \$0-note; #X obj -24 796 s \$0-note; #X obj -23 851 s \$0-note; #X msg -21 340 set E-natural; #X msg -23 396 set F-natural; #X msg -21 450 set F-sharp; #X msg -21 502 set G-natural; #X msg -21 556 set G-sharp; #X msg -21 611 set A-natural; #X msg -22 662 set B-flat; #X msg -23 717 set B-natural; #X msg -24 772 set C-natural; #X msg -23 826 set C-sharp; #X msg -18 285 set E-flat; #X text -20 10 Pythagorean Tone Generator; #X obj -20 118 *; #X floatatom 51 94 5 0.25 2 0 - - -; #X obj 69 33 octaveSelector; #X obj 104 231 noteSelector 1 1 \$0; #X obj 104 285 noteSelector 256 243 \$0; #X obj 104 340 noteSelector 9 8 \$0; 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nub question about random numbers
by Myo 01 Dec '06

01 Dec '06

Hello list, I've been trying to create a random range of numbers, say, from -80 to 300. this seems like it would be very simple, but the answer is eluding me. if anyone can help out or point to some help that would be great. Thanks alot

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[PD-announce] bangtris v0.2
by marius schebella 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

Hi, just uploaded v 0.2, fixed the down-key problem (for renaud) and also added some new features (you can have some random pieces before starting). if someone wants to see the patch: I hided the machine under the right bottom edge of the canvas... still no sound, or music: feel free to add some. I also thought of connecting to a pd-streaming server like the iem pd radio??? so if you want your server added to a list of available streams please mail me. got some other things to do now. http://parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/Pd/bangtris.tar marius. _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] GRiPD and shell don't play well together
by alberto.zin＠poste.it 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

Hi Patco, >alberto.zin(a)poste.it a écrit : >> The GUI itself was not hungry in terms of cpu load >> (the 46% you can see in the screenshot >> is just the 128 bp filters in parallel in the patch ;-) >> >puredata.info is too busy and doesn't respond, could you >put your >screenshot anywhere else? find it in attachemnt (bad quality and large file, sorry).. Nothing extremely sophisticated/complicated but functional. > Using graph-of-parent is less complicated and more > efficient. yes, it is! > With adding toxy/widget, a pd interface could even blow a > professional > user interface, but it requires some skills in tcl > scripting, Well, depends on what you mean by "blowing". PD is self-consistent in this point (gui made with the same language used in patching), and this is probably an advantage. But we have examples of GUIS (the first that comes to my mind: tapestrea) that we probably will never see in PD (or at a price of a intensive re-working) because of its basic architectural choices. Which is not a bad point, I repeat. > or just > *sarcastic mode* > brain cells for figuring out how to use tcl-tk widgets for > using the > work made by ix and MiXed. > *end of sarcastic mode*, This may be true for some people but not for all. Some users do not want to dig into the programming machinery (even if Tcl-Tk *is* easy) because they are more "musically" oriented than programming-oriented. On the other side, selecting PD to make music (or whatever) already tell us that the user in some sense "loves programming algoritmically" and does not want only take sounds out-from-the-black-magic-box (who said VST's? Joking :). All the best, Alberto salutations, Patco. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com Alberto Zin http://puredata.org/Members/AlbertoZ

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convert pd patches to Max patches
by Stefano Papetti 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

Ciao, is there a fast way to convert a pd patch to a Max one? Thanks, Stefano

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Re: [PD] reverse & variable speed soundplayback?
by robbert van hulzen 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

i'm not really in a hurry at this point, so i'll continue poking around in what i have for the moment, but since the hurry will be getting on in about a week or so, i'm glad to know about your [play-samp~]. i actually know it (almost it) from your slicer~abs, and it looks like it'll be great to use as an example too. thanks. robbert > Hallo, > robbert van hulzen hat gesagt: // robbert van hulzen wrote: > >> a good start indeed... still working on it, trying to figure it out. >> thanks! > > If you're in a hurry: RTC-lib (update just announced) contains a > simple sample player called play-samp~.pd which does reversed and > looped playback of tables holding 44.1kHz samples. [samp10~] is the > polyphonic version of it. The only external used is [arraysize], basic > playback in one direction, non-looped even works without that. > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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Gem conflicts also with gridflow
by Roman Haefeli 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

hi all i discovered conflicts between gridflow and gem, when gem-objects like [pix_image] or [pix_video] are used. if both libs are loaded and a patch containing such objects is opened, the gem-windows freezes. is that, because they use the same libraries (e.g. libjpeg etc.)? roman ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de

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MOTU 828 PD windows problem
by pzuspann 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

I'm running windows xp with a MOTU 828. In PD, I can only use the first (2) inputs and the first (2) outputs. Any ideas on how I can change the settings to gain access to all the inputs/outputs?...I have the standard (MMIO) audio set to MOTU Analog with 8 channels on input and output... Any help would be greatly appreciated...thanks... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [PD] GRiPD and shell don't play well together
by Patco 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

alberto.zin(a)poste.it a Ã©crit : > The GUI itself was not hungry in terms of cpu load > (the 46% you can see in the screenshot > is just the 128 bp filters in parallel in the patch ;-) > puredata.info is too busy and doesn't respond, could you put your screenshot anywhere else? > I like toxy, but we should admit that TclTk is not the > optimum; GriPd, imo, is a bit superior and > more similar to a "professional" user interface > (let me say like VST instruments or even Reaktor widgets) What makes you think that GRIPD is that good? It's very limited, the (ugly) widgets provided can't be hacked to get a better looking, and I severly doubt that it's possible to make something as neat as the most basic tcl-tk widget, let's say ix:: dd for example. No, I do not admit that GRIPD is superior, I think it's inferior, pd GOP can be dynamic, GRIPD couldn't. > > Of course we have examples of wonderful interfaces in > plain PD (using Graph on Parent, ... ), don't you think? > > Using graph-of-parent is less complicated and more efficient. With adding toxy/widget, a pd interface could even blow a professional user interface, but it requires some skills in tcl scripting, or just *sarcastic mode* brain cells for figuring out how to use tcl-tk widgets for using the work made by ix and MiXed. *end of sarcastic mode*, salutations, Patco. ___________________________________________________________________________ DÃ©couvrez une nouvelle faÃ§on d'obtenir des rÃ©ponses Ã toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expÃ©riences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/RÃ©ponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com

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