Pd-list December 2005

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can't create tabosc~, tabread~ help file missing
by Enrique Erne 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

hi miller couldn't create [tabosc~] was is obsolete or did I miss something? and couldn't find help patch for "tabread~.pd" Pd version 0.39-2 compiled for Macintosh. regards eni

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flext: cannot stat `pd-linux/release-single/libflext-pd_s.a.0.5.1
by Gerda Strobl 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Dear list, after upgrading from debian/testing to unstable I had the problem that opening patches containing pool could not be closed-pd did not crash but I had to close it with control-c /killall pd as Frank wrote. (the xsample lib, I think I dont use it) gerda: pd -verbose Pd version 0.39-1 compiled 16:05:47 Oct 28 2005 port 5400 TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/local/lib/pd/tcl/library" TK_LIBRARY="/usr/local/lib/pd/tk/library" "/usr/local/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui" 5400 Waiting for connection request... ... connected OSS: requested audio buffer size 8820 limited to 8192 OSS: issuing first ADC 'read' ... ...done. PDP: pure data packet PDP: version 0.12.4 *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7f42218 *** Pd: signal 6 using strace recv(4, ".x818bc68 menuclose 1;\n", 1241, 0) = 23 open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_NOCTTY) = 6 writev(6, [{"*** glibc detected *** ", 23}, {"double free or cor ruption (fastt"..., 35}, {": 0x", 4}, {"081a2f58", 8}, {" ***\n" , 5}], 5*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fastto p): 0x081a2f58 *** ) = 75 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [ABRT], NULL, 8) = 0 tgkill(5339, 5339, SIGABRT) = 0 --- SIGABRT (Aborted) @ 0 (0) --- write(2, "Pd: signal 6\n", 13Pd: signal 6 ) = 13 Then I decided to recompile flext taking newest cvs version: root@/home/gerda/flext bash build.sh pd gcc install ------------------------------------------------------------------------- A default package configuration file has been created. Please edit config.txt, then start again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- make: *** [config.txt] Error 1 so far I never changed the config.txt-because I never used the stk and the sndobj support--is it important?(what for?) ignoring to configure config.txt gave me following errors: root@/home/gerda/flext bash build.sh pd gcc install make -f ./buildsys/gnumake-sub.mak PLATFORM=lnx RTSYS=pd COMPILER=gcc BUILDPATH=./buildsys/ PKGINFO=package.txtBUILDCLASS=flext USRCONFIG=config.txt USRMAKE=build/gnumake-lnx-gcc.inc TARGETMODE=release TARGETTYPE=single _install_ make[1]: Entering directory `/home/gerda/flext' install pd-linux/release-single/libflext-pd_s.a.0.5.1 /usr/local/lib install: cannot stat `pd-linux/release-single/libflext-pd_s.a.0.5.1': No such file or directory make[1]: *** [_install_] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gerda/flext' make: *** [install-release-single] Error 2 Any ideas? Thank you. Gerda

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Script-based Sound Design Patch
by Spencer Russell 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Hey there List, I do theatre sound design, and up till now my usual rig for pre-recorded stuff has consisted of my hardware sampler and a couple of DJ CD players. I've been playing around with the idea of creating a sound design patch that would be easy to customize for different shows. My general plan has been to have some sort of script file that is read by PD that can trigger audio streams and alter their volume/panning, with the user interaction ideally consisting of a "GO" button that would trigger the next event in the script file. Anyone who's used a computerized lighting console should know what I'm talking about. The idea is to have something that's simple enough that I can have pretty complex designs that are easy to run during the show, so that I can actually enjoy the play. The tradeoff, of course, is that if too much is automated, and something goes wrong, we could have a huge trainwreck, so I'd like to have a "cancel" button, also, that would stop the current cue without moving on to the next one, and maybe some way to easily navigate the cues. Has anyone played around with something like this? Can my script be a simple text file? Can PD navigate around a text file to skip cues or go back to previous ones? Does anyone have any different/better ideas of ways to make sound design automation easier? Thanks, spencer

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Re: PD-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 43
by Patrick Valiquet 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

On 12/12/05, pd-list-request(a)iem.at <pd-list-request(a)iem.at> wrote: > Send PD-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list(a)iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pd-list-request(a)iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-owner(a)iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. iemmatrix documentation - and mtx_mul~ (Jo?o Miguel Pais) > 2. Re: PDP and PiDiP (Jo?o Miguel Pais) > 3. Re: What about multilingual Pd ? (Krzysztof Czaja) > 4. Re: What about multilingual Pd ? (Max Neupert) > 5. Re: What about multilingual Pd ? (Piotr Majdak) > 6. how to transform a number into a message? (ruben pati?o) > 7. Re: What about multilingual Pd ? (IOhannes m zmoelnig) > 8. Re: What about multilingual Pd ? (Marc Lavall?e) > 9. Re: how to transform a number into a message? > (IOhannes m zmoelnig) > 10. Re: how to transform a number into a message? (CK) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:52:19 +0100 > From: Jo?o Miguel Pais <jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com> > Subject: [PD] iemmatrix documentation - and mtx_mul~ > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <op.s1obhhl1618gjq@jmmmp-thinkpad> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; > charset=iso-8859-15 > > Hi, > > following questions about iemmatrix: > > - I was looking for the documentation, have the files from cvs but there's > no help file for mtx_*~. Are these the most current ones? > > - where is it possible to find the latest version of the dlls? I look ed > through the archives, but it wasn't possible to find those. > > merci, > > Joao > > > -- > Lugostr. 14 > 79100 Freiburg i. Br. > Deutschland > +49 (0)761 7074997 > jmmmp(a)arcor.de > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:45:37 +0100 > From: Jo?o Miguel Pais <jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] PDP and PiDiP > To: "Frank Barknecht" <fbar(a)footils.org> > Message-ID: <op.s1oa6bt6618gjq@jmmmp-thinkpad> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > There are, at least pdp is included in Hans' installer: > > http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers-0.38.4-extendedRC4.html > > I just tried it, and only saw the patches there, no dlls. I thought that > pdp wouldn't be available for windows that soon (if at all). > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:03:28 +0100 > From: Krzysztof Czaja <czaja(a)chopin.edu.pl> > Subject: Re: [PD] What about multilingual Pd ? > To: Piotr Majdak <piotr(a)majdak.com> > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <439D8330.9080504(a)chopin.edu.pl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed > > cze¶æ Piotr, > > Piotr Majdak wrote: > > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > >> However: German is not RPN, the word order in a sentence is very > >> similar to the one in English and not similar to Yoda. (Maybe it's > >> this way in, uhm, Polish?) > > > > > > No, it's not ;-) AFAIK, RPN was developed for mathematical expressions > > to prawda... jednak¿e ja to miêdzy bajki w³o¿ê > > Krzysztof > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:51:43 +0100 > From: Max Neupert <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] What about multilingual Pd ? > To: Piotr Majdak <piotr(a)majdak.com> > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <9F697368-4134-4D00-82C6-0D3F73C1C1E3(a)revolwear.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > Am 12.12.2005 um 11:26 schrieb Piotr Majdak: > > > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> However: German is not RPN, the word order in a sentence is very > >> similar to the one in English and not similar to Yoda. (Maybe it's > >> this way in, uhm, Polish?) > > > > No, it's not ;-) AFAIK, RPN was developed for mathematical > > expressions only. > > > > BTW, I don't think pd needs international localization in the > > current development state. There are many another issues > > (stability, transparency, documentation) which should get higher > > priority than localization if pd wants to reach for more users. > > I kind of agree. but on the other hand it really sucks to make non > english tutorials/workshops since the comments don't accept other > than english chars. > > max > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:58:16 +0100 > From: Piotr Majdak <piotr(a)majdak.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] What about multilingual Pd ? > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <439D9008.6000300(a)majdak.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed > > Czesc Krzysztof, > > Krzysztof Czaja wrote: > > Piotr Majdak wrote: > >> No, it's not ;-) AFAIK, RPN was developed for mathematical expressions > > > > to prawda... jednak¿e ja to miêdzy bajki w³o¿ê > > Kolysanki? :-) > > BTW, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_Notation > > Pozdrowienia z Wiednia, > > Piotr > > -- > Piotr Majdak > Institut für Schallforschung > Österreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften > Reichsratsstr. 17 > A-1010 Wien > Tel.: +43-1-4277-29511 > Fax: +43-1-4277-9296 > E-Mail: piotr(a)majdak.com > WWW: http://www.kfs.oeaw.ac.at > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:01:56 +0100 (CET) > From: ruben pati?o <rubenpatinyo(a)yahoo.es> > Subject: [PD] how to transform a number into a message? > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <20051212150156.55482.qmail(a)web26514.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > hi pd people. > i think this a really basic question . I´ve start one patch where i want to open wavs .I just want to send the large of the each file that appears in to the soundfiler to a random object but i don´t know how to transform the number into a message. > thanks > > > > --------------------------------- > > Correo Yahoo! > Comprueba qué es nuevo, aquí > http://correo.yahoo.es >

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Opening Saved Patch Problem
by Jonathan Goodwin 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

Hi all, I'm a student taking my first tentative steps into graphical multimedia programming with the intent to build interactive video installations. So please forgive me if this is a real newb question! I've looked in the documentation and online but to no avail. I've been experimenting with making my first few patches, but I after I have saved a patch on my computer and then closed PD I don't seem to be able to re-open the patch again later. If I go File > Open the files are greyed-out. Dragging and dropping the file onto the PD icon in the dock doesn't work either? I'm using the GEM extensions, my OS is OS X 10.4. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated! Jonathan

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how to transform a number into a message?
by ruben patiño 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

hi pd people. i think this a really basic question . IÅ½ve start one patch where i want to open wavs .I just want to send the large of the each file that appears in to the soundfiler to a random object but i donÅ½t know how to transform the number into a message. thanks --------------------------------- Correo Yahoo! Comprueba quÃ© es nuevo, aquÃ http://correo.yahoo.es

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bluetooth interface
by Max Neupert 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

hi list, there is a LAN, WLAN or Bluetooth version, this is the link to the bluetooth version data sheet: http://intronico.de/english/mfc_8800_dc_em_e.html http://intronico.de/german/mfc_8800_dc_em_g.html could is this interface be an alternative to serial/USB interfaces like those ones? http://arduino.berlios.de/ http://multio.mamalala.de/ http://aid.interaccess.org/ m.

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[Fwd: Re: [PD] What about multilingual Pd ?]
by Urs Liska 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

Well, I'd second Frank's opinion. Of course 'Sende Message' is an 'ugly mutant', but I would even go so far to say a 'Nachricht' is not equivalent to a 'message' in this context (even if it's the literal translation). If I read 'Nachricht' in such a context I would think of a comment to someone else or something like an email. It's the same with books on programming languages. I am always frustrated with books that translate the technical terms (for example 'member' (of a class) to 'Mitglied') because I basically have to re-translate it to know what it means... I think in such a context the English words are technical terms the same way we have Latin and Greek ones in everyday or scientific language, and it's a different topic from the (indeed problematic) increasing mixture of languages in everyday language. Best Urs Frank Barknecht schrieb: > Hallo, > Max Neupert hat gesagt: // Max Neupert wrote: > > >>some corrections for the german version though: >>?Sende Message...? should be ?Sende Nachricht...? > > > Actually I would prefer "Sende Message" even in German, as Message in > Pd is more a technical term, which I wouldn't translate. At least when > talking about Pd in German, nobody I know says "Nachricht", everyone > talks about "messages". > > Ciao -- Urs Liska GlÃ¼merstr. 5 D-79102 Freiburg www.graft-music.com www.suonomobile.de [Pd 0.39.0, WinXP]

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Re: [PD] Inlinet creation arguments into abstracts
by Jerome Tuncer 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

Yep, Got it. That's how it should be done. At least that's how I do it (-: ++ Jé Nuno Godinho a écrit : > Hi Jé, > > I am sorry if I didn't explain it well enough. > > I want to avoid having to send the message "open n0.avi" into the "sub" > abstraction. I will be using several instances of "sub". The problem is that > when I create the object like "sub n0.avi", which should be defining the $1 > (the leftmost inlet, right?) parameter, nothing happens. Get it? Now I have > to send the filename through an inlet. I would like to define it as an > inline constant argument. I just don't understand how to do it. > > Maybe it would be easier if you could send me a working example of an object > sending inline arguments into an abstraction. > > Thanks, > Nuno > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: pd-list-bounces(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] >>On Behalf Of Jerome Tuncer >>Sent: quinta-feira, 8 de Dezembro de 2005 20:26 >>To: pd-list(a)iem.at >>Subject: Re: [PD] Inlinet creation arguments into abstracts >> >>Hhhhhmmmmmmm... >> >>I'm not sure I'm getting it right here. >> >>Your patch actually works but what you'd like to do is make >>it simpler in case you have more instances of that sub.pd?? >> >>What's the relationship between this and creation arguments >>of the instance of the abstract.? >> >>Sorry for being so dumb it doesn't appear clearly to me (-: >> >>++ >> >> >>Jé >> >>Nuno Godinho a écrit : >> >>>Hi Georg, >>> >>>I found it on the docs but I still can't figure out how to >> >>use it. I >> >>>actually tried to add an argument to an abstract but nothing really >>>happened. >>> >>>I am sending you a dumb example attached so that you can, >> >>if possible, >> >>>tell me what am I doing wrong. Inside "main" I have an instance of >>>"sub" and now I have to send it "open n0.avi" in order to >> >>make it load >> >>>the n0.avi file. I would like to just write "sub n0.avi". >>> >>>Can you help me understand this? It seems to be quite >> >>simple but I am >> >>>lost here. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Nuno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Georg Holzmann [mailto:grhPD@gmx.at] >>>>Sent: quinta-feira, 8 de Dezembro de 2005 19:06 >>>>To: Nuno Godinho >>>>Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at >>>>Subject: Re: [PD] Inlinet creation arguments into abstracts >>>> >>>>Hallo! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>anyone help me or point me to documentation? Pd >>>> >>>>documentation talks a >>>> >>>> >>>>>lot about "creation arguments" but never explains how they >>>> >>>>actually work. >>>>I'm shure it is explained somewhere, but don't know where ... >>>>In pd you can use $1 for first creation argument, $2 for the second >>>>etc. >>>> >>>>LG >>>>Georg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>---------- >> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > > #N canvas 231 355 892 451 10; #N canvas 0 0 450 300 gemwin 0; #X obj 132 136 gemwin; #X obj 67 89 outlet; #X obj 67 10 inlet; #X obj 67 41 route create; #X msg 67 70 set destroy; #X msg 142 68 set create; #X msg 132 112 create \, 1; #X msg 198 112 destroy; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 3 0 6 0; #X connect 3 1 5 0; #X connect 3 1 7 0; #X connect 4 0 1 0; #X connect 5 0 1 0; #X connect 6 0 0 0; #X connect 7 0 0 0; #X restore 5 27 pd gemwin; #X msg 5 8 create; #X obj 107 88 sub n0.avi; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X coords 0 0 0.00102564 0.00161551 200 140 0; #N canvas 1493 149 639 630 10; #X obj 24 53 gemhead; #X obj 24 119 pix_film; #X obj 24 152 outlet; #X obj 83 53 inlet; #X obj 128 -22 loadbang; #X obj 128 10 symbol \$1; #X msg 128 53 open \$1; #X text 201 4 The OBJECT [symbol] will be instanciated with parameter \$1; #X text 201 48 The $x in MESSAGES will be replaced by the parameter that; #X text 201 16 that is given to the parent abstraction (sub).; #X text 201 61 is given to its inlet.; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 1 0;

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dynamic stochastic synthesis in pd?
by pun chik 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

: / hi pd friends Do anybody have implemented dynamic stochastic synthesis in pd? i been experimenting using chaotic equations and strange attractors to control some synthesis parameters, but i now im more interested of using them as a source for direct sound synthesis. for exampe i was trying to use the numbers resulting from those equations as a waveform using sig~ object with no luck. i just get some clicks . can anybody explain me how can i get sonorous signals from those numbers? is there any special math or trick? any hint, suggestion , patch would be appreciated many thanx bye pun chik -- pun chik punchik(a)fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again

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