Pd-list September 2004

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03 Sep '04

Multiple clipboards would be a big time saver. like ctrl-c-[1,2,3...] and likewise for paste. anyone who knows C that would like this feature?

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.pdrc in Pd.app?
by Iván Esquinca Yáñez 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

Hello, I have just downloaded the new Pd.app, but it seem that it doesnt read the .pdrc in the user folder, so I put it inside the app in the folder of contents, after in resources and at the end in MacOS, but it doenst read it... the path that appears in the menu remains unchangeable even when I press the apply and the ok button... what should I do to make pd read some files and folders that I had in the .pdrc before I used the Pd.app? Thanx regards IvanEY _________________________________________________________________ T1msn Hotmail Plus. MÃ¡s espacio, mÃ¡s funcional http://join.msn.com/?page=features/es&pgmarket=es-mx&xAPID=1817&DI=233&SU=h…

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soundfiler feature request - 8 bit samples
by ClaudiusMaximus 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

It would be very useful for me if [soundfiler] could load raw 8 bit samples, both signed and unsigned variants. Another very useful feature would be to be able to load IFF/8SVX samples, these are signed 8 bit with a variable length header. Nearly all of my sample collection is in this format, having migrated from the Amiga platform running OctaMED SoundStudio a couple of years ago (aside: I am working on a tool to convert OctaMED modules into Gridflow grids + Pd patches, if anyone is interested then shoot me an email). Meanwhile I can convert the samples one by one with Sox, so it isn't such a major issue.

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pdp 0.13 update
by Tom Schouten 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

hi all, last release was a joke. really. from now on it's serious. thanks to aymeric, rama, yves & artem for testing. pdp 0.13 is an unstable intermediate release based on packet forth (libtile/libpdp). if you use pd/pdp/pidip to make a living, stick with 0.12 for a while. especially libtile (the image processing engine) is still very experimental. gemheads, see at the bottom of the page. stuff below is a lotta verbose yada. PF the only real extra feature 0.13 brings is packet forth. packet forth (pf) is like mole, only more highlevel. a forth interpreter working with packets (and strings and network streams and other subprocesses etc...) pf's core (packets + forth interpreter) is now reasonably stable. it's been a while since i found a bug there, but there are still a whole lot of small bugs in the modules. i'm hunting them down atm. major pain is that 3dp (opengl drawing) still does not work. DOC one thing you can do with the forth is to write pd objects that can communicate with other pd/pdp/pidip objects. in the same spirit as Thomas' py/pyext objects for python. the advantage of pf is that the language is tailored for real-time use, python is not. it also has support for video, audio (there are dsp2pdp~ and pdp@dsp objects that enable you to convert audio streams to pdp vector packets) and other data types. vectors can be operated on using matrix operations and other functions from gsl. yeah, it's just the old pdp in a new jacket. the disadvantage is that pf is of course a forth, and not even a standard forth. now pf is linked to guile already, and a link to python will hopefully happen soon after most of the bugs for the current features are fixed, so there is hope. i'm working on some docs to explain how to get started. this is in doc/pf.xml (convert this to html using 'xmlto xhtml pf.xml'). it's pretty raw. to see some example objects written in pf, have a look at the files in /usr/local/lib/pdp/script/puredata these can be loaded in pd with [pdp <name>] you can load an arbitrary script with [pf <filename>] 3dp works like this too [3dp <object>], but is not working atm. eventually, i plan to write a whole lot of extra pdp modules, there is a lot of functionality in pf which just needs to be combined and exported as pdp modules. there's not much of them right now, because the language has been continuously in flux, breaking everything again. in 0.14 it will be frozen and backward compatible. the pdp 0.12 api (which pidip uses) will remain there until the end of the fishing season. BUILD last week i kicked out the autotools and replaced them with a very small perl script. most of the configure&build process is the same as it was before, only that libpdp is now 2-pass (libpdp compile+install and pf+plugins compile+install). to do this in one go, use make all_install after running (./bootstrap and) ./configure in the libpdp dir. this builds and installs libpdp and the plugins. by default all the plugins try to build, and only those that succeed will be installed. this seems like the least hassle. it's very straightforward. each plugin needs its set of libraries. most is the same as pdp 0.12.x if something fails, you can check build/build.log for details. all the error messages of the build are dumped there. most build problems seem to be fixed now. if you encounter any, please email me the build.log file. CVS distribution is still CVS only. see http://zwizwa.fartit.com/pd/pdp/doc/ for details. GCC small note on libtile (small virtual machine for image tile processing). this makes extensive use of some gcc vector extensions and agressive inlining and optimization. some versions of gcc seem to choke on this. i use gcc.real (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-6sarge1) which seems to work, but i had to navigate around a bug. problems are reported with these versions: 3.2.2 (crashes, or at least runs into some inconsistency) 3.3.3 warning: can't inline 3.4.? warning: can't inline i didn't find a pattern yet. this sucks, i know, and i'm trying to find a workaround. the -Werror flag is removed so it at least builds. 'can't inline' in libtile really is an error, since inlining is the whole point of libtile ('codelets'). FINK & CYGWIN i tried to build libpdp on OSX/fink, which works for the most part. but since libtile does not work yet, there's not too much you can do with it. same for cygwin. compiling the core seems to pose no problems. i think the rest has been done by carmen (pdp base library). so, a windows port is definitely in reach. now somebody needs to just do it (write native input/output modules). GEM for the platform-dependent stuff it might be wise to start piggybacking on GEM, a kind advice i've been ignoring for a while. seriously, talking about gem. i think the moment has come to connect a headless pf (libpdp) to gem. this should be really straightforward. the only thing i'd need is a point in the control flow, where i can execute some opengl statements in the current context. then in a later step all the data types (and processors?) of GEM could be mapped to pf's or wrapped as abstract data types, intertwining them a bit more. this would lead to a situation where 'the user' could choose an interface or a policy or hair style (gem or pdp) and all the functionality would be available. pf uses pdp/pidip's data format, so when pf is connected to gem, pdp/pidip is too. (livido will come soon). that should be enough pf promo for today. as usual, if you encounter a problem, don't hesitate to report it. cheers, tom

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shoutcast~
by august 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

Olaf, don't know if you experience this or not, but the shoutcast~ external for linux will always crash PD when you change something in it's creation argument or try to delete it from the screen. (this includes closing a patch with a shoutcast~ object in it) I remember this being an issue a while back, but thought it got fixed. using the latest shoutcast~ 1.0test5 -august.

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RE: [PD] no audio under os x
by Rene Christen 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

i probably can't help but... what mac are you using (i'm have some issues with a quicksilver's soundcard at the moment) are you using pd.command if so, when you open it in a text editor what does it say? if midi is working try changing the text in pd.command to: #!/bin/sh /usr/local/pd/bin/pd -rt -noadc that's something from the mail list archives that works for me (sometimes) good luck! nay. >From: "Eric Steinberg" <ergomatic(a)mail.com> >To: pd-list(a)iem.at >Subject: [PD] no audio under os x >Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:03:42 -0500 > >I've tried all the versions of pd I can find, and I get midi but no audio. Audio works fine with max/msp. Here is the terminal window output: > > >~ ergo$ /Applications/Pd.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd; exit >Could not create format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' >PaOSX_OpenCommonDevice: PAOSX_DevicePropertyListener failed. >: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' >Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream >Error message: Host error. >Could not create format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' >PaOSX_OpenCommonDevice: PAOSX_DevicePropertyListener failed. >: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' >Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream >Error message: Host error. > > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks, > >Eric Steinberg > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >___________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com >http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs.

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vst~ patch
by Marek Pietrzak 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

I was wondering if it was possible to replace the noise~ object with a adc~ object in order to edit sounds from another source? It didn't work for me, do I have to change sth in the patch, is it not possible or what? I am talking about the patch here: http://grrrr.org/ext/vst. Sorry for a beginner question. Thanks in advance.

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no audio under os x
by Eric Steinberg 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

I've tried all the versions of pd I can find, and I get midi but no audio. Audio works fine with max/msp. Here is the terminal window output: ~ ergo$ /Applications/Pd.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd; exit Could not create format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' PaOSX_OpenCommonDevice: PAOSX_DevicePropertyListener failed. : error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream Error message: Host error. Could not create format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' PaOSX_OpenCommonDevice: PAOSX_DevicePropertyListener failed. : error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream Error message: Host error. Any suggestions? Thanks, Eric Steinberg -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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Data structure arrays: plotting and editing "w"
by Frank Barknecht 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

Hi, when plotting an array using [plot] there are three variables treated special in array element templates: x, y and w. Now if I use the w to let the line width change, I'm not able to change the y-position of an element with the mouse anymore. This is on Linux. I still can change y using "set" objects, though. Is there a way to design my templates, so that y stays mouse-editable as well? I attached an example patch, which should show this behaviour (w.pd). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

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Re: [PD] compiling fluid~ external on osx
by Frank Barknecht 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi Christian, Christian Klotz wrote: > > I changed it to > > g++ -bundle -bundle_loader /usr/local/bin/pd -flat_namespace > pd-darwin/fluid.o -lm -L/usr/local/lib -lfluidsynth -lreadline > /usr/local/lib/pd/flext/flext.a -o pd-darwin/fluid.pd_darwin > > now I recognized a missing link named flext.a, which was now created > after reinstalling flext. But there still remains the aborting of > compilation. this time the following error msg appears: > > ld: can't locate file for: -lreadline Just remove "-lreadline" and it should work finally. Ciao -- Fran

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