Pd-list July 2004

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Geiger namespaces and possible html doc bug
by Frank Barknecht 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

Hi, I read this in the html-docs: 3.7. dealing with files [...] If a filename specified in a patch has any "/" characters in it, the "path" is not used; thus, "../sounds/sample1.wav" causes Pd only to look relative to the directory containing the patch. (You may also invoke externs that way.) I think, the docs are wrong here. When playing around with the Geiger namespace, that is, using subdirectories in the Pd-path to prepend namespace-like prefixes, I found, that Pd does not only look for abstractions and externs only in the patch directory, if those contain a slash. Example: mkdir /tmp/foo echo "#N canvas 0 0 450 300 10; #X text 160 100 bar inside foo;" > /tmp/foo/bar.pd pd -path /tmp/ Now you can create an object [foo/bar] and it will instantiate /tmp/foo/bar.pd Am I misunderstanding the docs i.e. is this use case not a "filename specified in a patch" or is this indeed a doc bug? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

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using relative paths in OS X
by Roman Haefeli 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

hi i wonder how to use relative paths in os x. it works in the command-file (-open ../path/patch.pd), but not in pd itself. [; pd open file.pd ../path/to/file( to open a patch seems not to work. i'm normally a windows-user and i'm looking for a way to specify relative paths, which are understood by both windows and mac. thanks roman

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readanysf~0.13 compile again
by derek＠x-i.net 27 Jul '04

27 Jul '04

Hi August, By setting the flext directory with ./configure --with-flext-dir=/usr/local/lib/pd/flext/ I can get readanysf~0.13 to compile. However, PD will not load it: /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/readanysf~.pd_linux: libflext.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory readanysf~ .. couldn't create I am now compiling on Athlon system, not PPC, but I had the same problem with the PPC machine. So it is architecture independent. Any suggestions? d.

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Re: PD-list digest, Vol 1 #1321 - 2 msgs
by Ales Zemene 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

logitech quicktime expres's are working somehow (low quality, slow), although i got strange (black) signal on gentoo , on the same kernel (2.4.23) on debian is ok. with driver c-qcam and mod_quickcam. good luck az citation of <pd-list-request(a)iem.at> from Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 06:15:02PM +0200, pd-list-request(a)iem.at : > pdp/pidip . I've tried using the Labtec camera (same driver as Logitech > Quickcam express) which works with Gem (extremely slow) but not pdp. > Tom suggested a camera with the Phillips Chipset. I haven't seen any > Phillips cameras here but it appears that the Logitech Quickcam 3000 and > 4000 use the Phillips chipset. So anyone using the Logitech Quickcam > 3000 or 4000 with pdp?? Has anyone got the Labtech camera to work with > pdp. > Thanks, > Jim > On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 16:49, Tom Schouten wrote: _____________________________________ http://ales.mur.at GSM: +436769573397 chat: irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor

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AW: [PD] pd os x loading externals failure
by list_pd＠deviation.de 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Christian Klotz hat gesagt: // Christian Klotz wrote: > > > so I did. I did set the path to /usr/local/lib/pd/extra and pd tries > > and tries and tries to load the externals but except of a few the > > loading fails. As I said its the default setting of the os x installer > > of Hans-Christoph Steiner, which is really great. But this external > > thing doesnt work for me :( > > Well, what is inside of /usr/local/lib/pd/extra ? Are the externals > you try to load there? What is the putput of (in a terminal): > ls -l /usr/local/lib/pd/extra > yes, there are my externals - pretty much whats included in the installer. 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14:36 vocoder~.pd_darwin -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 13760 9 Mar 14:36 wahwah~.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 39832 9 Mar 14:19 wave~.pd_darwin -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 25028 9 Mar 14:22 wavinfo.pd_darwin -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 24920 9 Mar 14:22 weibull.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 24652 9 Mar 14:19 xbendin.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 24656 9 Mar 14:19 xbendin2.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 24724 9 Mar 14:19 xbendout.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 24728 9 Mar 14:19 xbendout2.pd_darwin -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 24880 9 Mar 14:22 xfm~.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 24652 9 Mar 14:19 xnotein.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 24724 9 Mar 14:19 xnoteout.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 247960 9 Mar 14:35 xsample.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 30116 9 Mar 14:19 zerox~.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 514400 9 Mar 14:36 zexy.pd_darwin -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 24752 9 Mar 14:22 zhzxh~.pd_darwin -r--r--r-- 1 root staff 40724 9 Mar 14:19 zl.pd_darwin so everything should work but it doesnt. No idea why. --- cheers Christian Klotz

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Hi
by Nicolas Lhommet 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

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Re: [PD] pd os x loading externals failure
by Frank Barknecht 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Hallo, Christian Klotz hat gesagt: // Christian Klotz wrote: > so I did. I did set the path to /usr/local/lib/pd/extra and pd tries > and tries and tries to load the externals but except of a few the > loading fails. As I said its the default setting of the os x installer > of Hans-Christoph Steiner, which is really great. But this external > thing doesnt work for me :( Well, what is inside of /usr/local/lib/pd/extra ? Are the externals you try to load there? What is the putput of (in a terminal): ls -l /usr/local/lib/pd/extra (I don't run OS-X, so I'm asking.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

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RE: [PD] fft -> get to know of requested frequency range
by ba 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

>so I tried a bit with [bp~] but the problem was, that the amplitudes I got >were pretty high (after comparision with incoming signal) - dont't know why. >So I still don't know how to handle the incoming audio to get to know if a >specified frequency range is contained by the the audio in. That's why I tried >fft once more, but I have no idea how to calculate the data [rfft~] is giving >to me. Does anybody of you have an idea? >thanks, mfg >Christian have you tried [hip~ 10000] | [lop~ 11000] | [env~] | [> x] | [sel 1] where x is your desired threshold? you might add more hip~ and lop~ to get a sharper cutoff. this still seems like the simplest solution. good luck

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setable values
by Tim Blechmann 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

hi all, i'd need a "set" message for the "value" object to access values that are represented by symbols stored in "pool". i'm not sure, if there is any other way to do that. am i missing something? if so, please let me know... if not, i hope nobody minds if i add that to the cvs ... cheers ... tim

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Gem compile problems
by Ian Smith-Heisters 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Hi, I'm also having some problems compiling Gem. I've tried both the CVS version and the .90 release. ./configure keeps resulting in this: building pix_filmFFMPEG checking for dv_init in -ldv... no checking alternate -ldv in ../../../GemLibs/ /usr/local/lib /usr/local/src... configure: error: library dv not available - try makeauxlibs I've run makeauxlibs and it finishes successfully. I ran configure with these options: ./configure --prefix=$HOME --libdir=/usr/lib --includedir=usr/lib:../../../GemLibs:/usr/include --enable-mmx --with-ftgl --with-mpeg --with-mpeg3 --with-quicktime --with-avi --with-aviplay --with-avcodec=~/pd/externals/pidip/ffmpeg/libavcodec/libavcodec.a --with-avformat=~/pd/externals/pidip/ffmpeg/libavformat/libavformat.a --with-ieee1394 --with-x because /usr/lib has libdv.a .la .so .so.2 .so.2.1.0 .so.4 .so.4.0.0. Since using the modified includedir and libdir didn't seem to change anything I tried editing the configure file, replacing every instance of /usr/local/lib with /usr/lib, but that still doesn't change anything. Thank you for any help. -Ian SMith-Heisters

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