Pd-list February 2004

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GEM second screen?????
by shreeswifty 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

What is the proper way to get a second screen to work with Gem?? OS X 10.2.8, G4, Dual Ghz, Patrick Pagano, B.S.,M.F.A Candidate Research And Development Assistant Digital Worlds Institute University Of Florida (352) 294-2070

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[ot] Distros and linux newbies (was: [PD] Red Hat 9 and PD - RH9 is rubbish-7.3 is not)
by Matthew Allen 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

I am not going to turn this into a distro battle, I just want new users to have as much info as they need. Frank I very much respect all the stuff you have done (and the help I have personally received from you), but I worry about your advice for people who may just be starting out with linux. Everything that follows is OPINION! Its meant as a point of discussion from someone who is currently going through some new user linux stuff. > The problem is: Why install all these things in the first place, if > you never need it? How would a first time linux user know what they need? How was I supposed to know that I may want Xfs but not Nfs? How do I know what Cups is? I suppose a new user could start bare bones (which I tried with debian) and gradually build up what they needed, but for someone coming mostly from windows (and I'm not an idiot, really I promise, I even set up a AIX based small local network many many years ago) trying to get all of the dependencies straight is a nightmare, and that's just for a base machine, not one tricked out for realtime sound work. I am sure I will read this mail in a year or 2 and laugh at myself for my naivety, but for now I really STRONGLY encourage new/casual linux users who want to do more hardcore sound stuff to explore things like CCRMA (http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ ). Fernando has done an incredible job of making things pretty straightforward for new users, who have no idea what they are doing, and old users, who just want to make music and could care less about what init level they are running at. Running CCRMA out of the box certainly doesn't stop you from tweaking, and making changes. What it does do is give the new user a safety net. It gives them the ability to explore linux, without having their machine fall apart around them. For me its been much easier to strip away the things that I don't need from Fedora Core (gnome, and the gnome window manager stuff for starts) than it was to build a system up around a barebones Debian install. m. _________________________________________________ Scanned on 25 Feb 2004 19:42:43 Scanning by http://erado.com

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ladspa caps plugins
by CK 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

hi, has anybody successfully used these http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html plugins with pd's [plugin~] ? They seem to work fine with other hosts (I tried sweep) but they do nothing inside pd (as if the effect was bypassed) and the plugins sometimes complain about parameters in range being out of range, sometimes out of range values don't trigger the warning and sometimes the ranges are entirely different from what analyseplugin reports ... any hints ? x -- chris(a)lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)

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RE: [ot] Distros and linux newbies (was: [PD] Red Hat 9 and PD - RH9 is rubbish-7.3 is not)
by Matthew Allen 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at] On Behalf Of > Frank Barknecht > (Although I do think, that Debian is a good choice for > newbies, as well, but that's a whole other story more appropriate for > linux-audio-user). I would love to get this mail! I really wanted debian to work but just failed miserably. > If I sounded like dissing other distributions or > other opinions, I'd like to apologize. This never was my intention. Certainly! I don't think you should apologize for anything. It didn't feel like you were dissing anything, just stating your opinion. I just wanted to post a different viewpoint than the ones that were being put forth. m. _________________________________________________ Scanned on 25 Feb 2004 22:34:54 Scanning by http://erado.com

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comport data
by slimboyfatboyslim 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

I've tried to transfer 2 set of data from basicstamp to PD (winXP, PD 0.37), it succeeded by packing the data and unpack them again, but I'm now trying to transfer 4 sets of data, I used the similar method with route but it ends up in a mess, meaning those 4 sets of data mixed up. Any clues in separating data according to the way how they have been sent? meaning if 4 sets of data is a,b,c,d, in what way I've to built my patch in order to separate the data and receive them in a correct order Thanks slimboyfatboyslim http://www.slimboyfatboyslim.org

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RE: [PD] Red Hat 9 and PD - RH9 is rubbish-7.3 is not
by shreeswifty 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

i agree chkconfig --list i think shows you whats up i turned off a ton of stuff after i got going and my Sony Vaio PCG GRX 560 1.6 GHz, 512, ATI Radeon 7500 works nice with ALSA and midiman 2x2 and if i fool it it will sometimes load my emi 2|6 as a usb audio device instead of the midiman cheers On Wed Feb 25 13:42:52 EST 2004, Matthew Allen <matthew(a)lith.com> wrote: > Planet CCRMA's Fedora Core1 is working just fine here for me on > a bit of an older machine (Athlon 1Ghz, 384mbs of ram, Geforce 3, > midiman 4/10). I use PD with both alsa and jack. I seem to get > much > better performance with jack (little or no drop outs, unless I > make FVWM > do something funky). I think the trick with any of the bigger > desktop > targeted distros is to really turn off as many of the startup > deamons > you can. Don't need to print? Turn it off. No need NFS? Turn it > off! > > This take a bit more time and patience (and to be honest I > havn't been able to get to all of the one I would like to and I > still > get good performance out of my machine). Its really all about > tweaking > your system to work for your set up. > > m. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at] On >> Behalf Of >> shreeswifty >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:31 AM >> To: Padraig Kitterick; Ed Kelly >> Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at >> Subject: Re: [PD] Red Hat 9 and PD - RH9 is rubbish-7.3 is not >> >> >> Hi >> >> i feel like the sole defender of redhat these days but 7.3 works >> like a dream for me >> turning of "Nautilus" on my laptop got me even more speed >> >> pd with ALSA, midiin, GEM all work >> i tend towards GEM G4 now because it seems more closely related >> to >> the work i want to be doing >> >> But redhat 9.0 might be rubbsh but 7.3 is not. It really just >> matters what you want to do. >> Anything after 7.3 seems to try to be the M$ of linux but i have >> always felt that if you get a good linu/unix book that works for >> what you need one must avoid the lure of teh upgrade for a while. >> >> cheers >> >> Patrick Pagano, B.S.,M.F.A Candidate >> Research And Development Assistant >> Digital Worlds Institute >> University Of Florida >> (352) 294-2070 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list mailing list >> PD-list(a)iem.at >> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> Scanned on 25 Feb 2004 18:33:58 >> Scanning by http://erado.com > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned on 25 Feb 2004 18:42:05 > Scanning by http://erado.com > > Patrick Pagano, B.S.,M.F.A Candidate Research And Development Assistant Digital Worlds Institute University Of Florida (352) 294-2070

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rendezvous/zeroconf
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

So I am getting mildly obsessed with rendezvous/zeroconf. I want to use it within Pd and I was wondering whether anyone has any ideas/experience along these lines. I am thinking of writing a client object and a responder object, but then I thought that maybe this should be integrated into netclient/netserver. Anyway, the idea is vague as I just thought of it, but I am wondering which direction to go in terms of implementation. .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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RE: [PD] Red Hat 9 and PD - RH9 is rubbish-7.3 is not
by Matthew Allen 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Planet CCRMA's Fedora Core1 is working just fine here for me on a bit of an older machine (Athlon 1Ghz, 384mbs of ram, Geforce 3, midiman 4/10). I use PD with both alsa and jack. I seem to get much better performance with jack (little or no drop outs, unless I make FVWM do something funky). I think the trick with any of the bigger desktop targeted distros is to really turn off as many of the startup deamons you can. Don't need to print? Turn it off. No need NFS? Turn it off! This take a bit more time and patience (and to be honest I havn't been able to get to all of the one I would like to and I still get good performance out of my machine). Its really all about tweaking your system to work for your set up. m. > -----Original Message----- > From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at] On Behalf Of > shreeswifty > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:31 AM > To: Padraig Kitterick; Ed Kelly > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] Red Hat 9 and PD - RH9 is rubbish-7.3 is not > > > Hi > > i feel like the sole defender of redhat these days but 7.3 works > like a dream for me > turning of "Nautilus" on my laptop got me even more speed > > pd with ALSA, midiin, GEM all work > i tend towards GEM G4 now because it seems more closely related to > the work i want to be doing > > But redhat 9.0 might be rubbsh but 7.3 is not. It really just > matters what you want to do. > Anything after 7.3 seems to try to be the M$ of linux but i have > always felt that if you get a good linu/unix book that works for > what you need one must avoid the lure of teh upgrade for a while. > > cheers > > Patrick Pagano, B.S.,M.F.A Candidate > Research And Development Assistant > Digital Worlds Institute > University Of Florida > (352) 294-2070 > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned on 25 Feb 2004 18:33:58 > Scanning by http://erado.com _________________________________________________ Scanned on 25 Feb 2004 18:42:05 Scanning by http://erado.com

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Re: [PD] Red Hat 9 and PD - RH9 is rubbish-7.3 is not
by shreeswifty 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hi i feel like the sole defender of redhat these days but 7.3 works like a dream for me turning of "Nautilus" on my laptop got me even more speed pd with ALSA, midiin, GEM all work i tend towards GEM G4 now because it seems more closely related to the work i want to be doing But redhat 9.0 might be rubbsh but 7.3 is not. It really just matters what you want to do. Anything after 7.3 seems to try to be the M$ of linux but i have always felt that if you get a good linu/unix book that works for what you need one must avoid the lure of teh upgrade for a while. cheers Patrick Pagano, B.S.,M.F.A Candidate Research And Development Assistant Digital Worlds Institute University Of Florida (352) 294-2070

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sending midi to pure-data
by Georgios Fourtounis 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

hi pd-list! Playing around with pd and Jack enabled, i can't figure out how to send midi to PD. Audio is sent&received OK through Jack but Jack doesn't see any midi in/out ports from PD. How can it be done? "pd -jack -listdev" replies "device listing not implemented for jack yet" Latest version i tried was pd-0.37.0-3.cvs (from the ccrma archives) on a Fedora with ccrma kernel. Thanks in advance! George F.

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