Pd-list June 2003

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PD compatablilty to Max
by Bradon Webb 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Hello everyone, can anyone tell me what the compatability of Max is to PD and vice versa. I have herd there is some limited success with opening Max .pat files in PD???? can anyone tell me what my chances are of loading one of my friends Max patches in PD. thanks, Bradon~ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

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4 outs on a cheap soundcard.
by Kjetil S. Matheussen 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

I might help a person set up an installation which contains both video and sound all running in pd, and is now giving some free advices. He needs 4 audio outs from pd, so I reccomended the delta44 soundcard. He asked if it was possible to use a cheap soundcard instead (I presume the soundquality is not that important for this). But I have no idea how well that works. Anyone have experience having 4 outs (an "adc~ 1 2 3 4" object) on a cheap soundcard (one of those 5.1 cards or something) in pd. Does it work? Pd is going to run linux. --

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pd with OSC and SGI Performer
by PAGANO,PATRICK RALPH 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Hi folks We here at the University fo Florida, Digital Worlds Institute have created a 3D campus map that runs on a three pipe SGI Onyx reality monster. We use unwinder to joystick through the campus model. We are able to write map data to a file specifying location points in the map. What i would like to do is read this data (maybe by socket) from the SGI to control an audio surface/grid in Max/msp so that we may add spatialized audio to our map in 5.1. I am currently controlling the spatialization with a slide mate midi controller, spitting out audio tracks through an emi 2|6 for the 5.1. I would like to use pd IRIX to receive the OSC messages before they are sent out to msp. I have a working version of pd 34.3 on the Reality Monster, will OSC work in that build? Can someone give me basic of how to get started getting the messages from the SGI into pd via OSC? Pat cheers~ Patrick Pagano Research and Development Assistant ScorpionRT Operator Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/Silica -- PAGANO,PATRICK RALPH On Wed Jun 25 14:18:27 EDT 2003, Frank Barknecht <fbar(a)footils.org> wrote: > Hi, > > Zitat von Olaf Matthes <olaf.matthes(a)gmx.de>: > >> abel.jerome(a)free.fr schrieb: >> > I've seen some patches PD on websites recommanded on the >> mailing list and >> I'm a >> > little disappointed. Just 10 or 15 patchs on the Web, it's a >> joke? > > No pun intended, but: You need to look harder. I alone have about > a dozen > on my site. Not all really useful, but some (mostly angriff and > sseq) are > very useful and I know that people do use them. Those two were > specifically > created to be re-useable on many occasions. > >> > Tell me more about the PD communauty, maybe the main purpose >> is to create >> > externals? > > There is no main purpose. I'm sure, everyone does different > things. For example > a lot here use Pd for graphics, but I don't. > >> At the moment I'm trying to reuse one of my own patches I did >> about a >> year ago but I realised very soon it would have been easier to >> create a >> new one from scratch. (At least my) patches are growing all the >> time and >> get 'dirty'. > > Hey, I can feel with you, Olaf ;) I would like to publish some > more patches > but most are too dirty, so I refrain from doing it and only > publish what's > understandable without much explanation. Well, thinking about > this, I should > sometime remove some older patches from my site, because they're > such a > mess... > >> [I don't know where creativity ends and 'presets' start. One of >> the very >> good things about Pd is that everyone has to create it's own >> patches. >> Like in the old days with analogue synthesizer _without_ factory >> presets >> and 'custom memory banks' where everyone had to make ones own >> sound. It >> helps you to create your individual sound because this sound is >> based on >> your individual patches. > > I'll second that. Maybe the purpose, if there is such, of the Pd > community > is to help with "how do I do this and that". This can be done > with > sharing patches, but can also be done by simply answering the > questions, > that were asked. > >> But, yes, of course, we need example patches showing how to use >> the >> objects. And, me culpa, I sometimes do use Pd's example patches >> as a >> starting point for my own stuff.] > > But we all do! IMO Pd's example patches are a wonderful > introduction to Pd and > sound synthesis in general. I remember, though, that some of them > were over > my head when I started using Pd (some still are) but I can come > back to them > and still learn something new. Also people should really read the > html-docs. > But it's a known fact: Users don't read documentation. And > developers don't > write it. :) > > ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ___footils.org_ > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > >

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misc crap
by J. Scott Hildebrand 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

1. what does Pd really stand for? "Pure Data" AND "Public Domain" or just "Pure Data" ? 2. what OSs do Pd run on? all windows, mac OS9.x & mac OSX, most unix and linux, IRIX, and what else? windows CE, windows pocket or whatever that's called, Palm? -------------------------------------------------------------------- "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 --------------------------------------------------------------------

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FBT or JBL
by No lo s ni me importa 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Ei! We're RBF-soft from BCN [Barcelona], we have a question for the PD-list. Waht it's better FBT or JBL?Â¿ what it's the best FBT or JBL?Â¿ monitors sound equipment request: Thank you very much, and see u,...!!!! r_DJ & i_VJ [[electronic artists]] _________________________________________________________________ Accede al romance onine. Descubre gente que busca a otra gente en MSN Amor & Amistad. http://match.msn.es/

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RE: [PD] add message argument
by Matthew Allen 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Actually [makefilename] is in the base distro. [makesymbol] is in zexy m. > -----Original Message----- > From: stm_sq^n [mailto:stm-sq@bleu255.com] > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 2:27 PM > To: juto aviten > Cc: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > Subject: Re: [PD] add message argument > > Hello juto, > > > ja> is there a possibility in Pd to add a variable to a message, without > ja> adding a space in between? > ja> (i try to save different versions of a changing array) > > sure, > use [makefilename ] from the Zexy lib > (ftp://ftp.iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY/) > > here is your fixed patch: > > #N canvas 490 212 669 513 10; > #X obj 342 191 table tosave 50; > #X msg 103 178 \; tosave write name74.txt; > #X obj 42 149 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 > -1; > #X floatatom 103 29 5 0 0 0 - - -; > #X text 14 133 save button; > #X text 144 27 file version number; > #X msg 103 104 set \, add \, add2 tosave write \$1; > #X obj 103 75 makefilename name%d.txt; > #X text 109 231 impossible to get a continuous name HELP! *FIXED* :p > ; > #X connect 2 0 1 0; > #X connect 3 0 7 0; > #X connect 6 0 1 0; > #X connect 7 0 6 0; > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned for viruses on 30 Jun 2003 22:10:00 > No viruses found. > Virus scanning by http://erado.com

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emu cards and multichannel audio (like sb-live, sb-audigy....)
by Christian Klippel 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

hi all, after all the recent mails about multichannel on emu cards, a few words : these cards use the emu chip, which is "just" a custom dsp chip. it allows you to upload patches, and also to upload assembled dsp-programs. through these patches and programs you can access serveral input and output line (tram). of course, you can also specify the routing of all that. by default, you have 4 inputs, 2 (left/right) from the line/mic, and another 2 "feeding back" the actual dsp output (thus, you can record what the soundcard plays). in means of the dsp, you have _much_ more ..... 4 analouge outputs (2 x stereo on the mini jacks), plus digital output, thus giving at least 6 usable channels. plus digital input and the line output, makes 4 channels. now, setup just a "virtual" record channel (i.e. the "output" of the card), and you have 6 in + 6 out, even number on each. but, you need to make a small little dsp-assembly program to set-up your card for that. with the emu10k1 tools from the sourceforge site, this can be done easy (a more-or-less direct example is included there). important is that you load the drivers up to the point where you can upload that patch or program to the card, and after that loading the remaining sounddrivers with the actual ( == now available ) in/out channels. sorry that i have no "ready to use" example at hand, but i just tried once out of curiosity, and it worked (tough i didnt needed it, so i dont remember....) in general, some [emu10k] object would be nice, to control all that. maybe such simple patches can be made with the host's patcher ? greets, chris

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RE: [PD] 4+ outs (& 4+ ins?) on a cheap USB soundcard.
by Rua Haszard Morris 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

On this topic - What are people's experiences with 5.1 channel USB soundcards e.g. SB Extigy? How many outs & ins are usable within PD & in what combinations? Does changing (reducing) sample rate alter (improve) capabilities? I am curious how all this audio reliably travels down USB.... cheers, Rua. --- micha <electrobass(a)gmx.net> wrote: > > > >Anyone have experience having 4 outs (an "adc~ 1 2 > 3 4" object) on a > cheap soundcard (one of those 5.1 cards or > >something) in pd. Does it work? > a cheap soundblaster 5.1 should be working fine. i`m > running a audigy 2 > with only one problem, that is either i have > multiple outs, but no ins, > or having 2 outs and 2 ins. if input is not needed, > everything should be > fine. before i was running 2 cheap normal > soundblasters, which is also > no problem, except that sometimes the outputs run a > little bit out of > sync. if you do no rhythmic stuff, that`ll be ok. > > > micha > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list ===== Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://apps.uws.edu.au/marcs http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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add message argument
by juto aviten 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Hi all, is there a possibility in Pd to add a variable to a message, without adding a space in between? (i try to save different versions of a changing array) thanks ! juto example : #N canvas 142 132 667 304 10; #X obj 58 47 table tosave 50; #X msg 113 163 \; tosave write name 30.txt; #X obj 52 138 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 32 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X floatatom 112 106 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X msg 112 139 set \, add \, add2 tosave write name \$1.txt; #X text 151 198 impossible to get a continuous name HELP!; #X text 24 122 save button; #X text 68 91 file version number; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 1 0;

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Re: [PD] Pd vs. MAX
by PAGANO,PATRICK RALPH 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

I have used jMAx, pd and Max/msp. Jmax i used briefly (not nearly as long as i spent trying to compile it :-)..It is limited but there are a few nice extensions for it. pd, i have been cracking at for about 5 years, Max/msp about three. The only drawback is that pd and portaudio seem to be stalling on usb-audio multiins outs (at least from my very limited perspective.) But remeber pd and jMAx are free as well as csound whilst Reaktor and Max/msp are pay programs so i would exclude them immediately from comparison. I woudl have to say msp dominates because of the superior audio support, but hopefully that will change soon.. cheers~ -- PAGANO,PATRICK RALPH On Mon Jun 30 16:43:56 EDT 2003, "J. Scott Hildebrand" <jshildebrand(a)ucdavis.edu> wrote: > > right now i'm writing a report on the effectiveness of Pd > for use in > spatial audio. i'm also somewhat comparing it to its competition; > csound, > reaktor, and of course the various versions of MAX. it's been > very hard > trying to understand the current state of things, for example > which is > more widely used and has more people working on it? > > i've read a lot about the various incarnations of MAX > including jMAX, > MAX/MSP, Pd, and all the old stuff like MAX/Opcode, MAX/FTS, > Patcher, ISPW > stuff, etc. > > have any of you tried several different things and have any > useful > comparison info? how are the expansions in jMAX and MAX/MSP > comparable to > the expansions in Pd like GEM and GriPD? thanks, > > scott > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > >

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