not any objections from my side. but can we include https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631 so its easier for us to test > 0.56 development on Windows?
objection your honor
This PR fixes some of the color issues, which is currently broken/bugged/incomplete
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
There are still more things to take care of on this side, so can you check and merge it and just have a test2 before we nail it?
thanks
Em seg., 7 de jul. de 2025 às 18:02, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com escreveu:
not any objections from my side. but can we include https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631 so its easier for us to test > 0.56 development on Windows?
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I think 0.56 is ready to go... any objections?
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Em seg., 7 de jul. de 2025 às 18:05, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
There are still more things to take care of on this side
About color support, there's been a discussion to not allow color names, see also https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/2639#issuecomment-3017966501 - I agree with this for a couple of reasons. It makes it harder for forks of Pd not based on tcl/tk to understand and take some of the name that it supports (and it supports several ones with fancy names, like "mistyrose"). Also, iemguis should use Pd's colors as default, and they currently don't understand such names. So it seems best, at least for now, to just allow people to use only hex colors starting with "#". We can open up for more options later.
I might do this in this PR I'm telling you about if I find the time. I'll let you know.
cheers
Em seg., 7 de jul. de 2025 às 23:18, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
I might do this in this PR I'm telling you about if I find the time. I'll let you know.
that was easy and quick, see https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
cheers
oh, and currently there are compilation errors, see https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2661 for a fix
Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 01:25, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
Em seg., 7 de jul. de 2025 às 23:18, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
I might do this in this PR I'm telling you about if I find the time. I'll let you know.
that was easy and quick, see https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
cheers
There is too much stuff in there for me to check it carefully... I'd have to put out a new test release and wait a few more weeks. What are the urgently needed fixes? (patch cords of course.)
There are plenty of other color _features_ we should have but I want to just deal with the things that are truly needed :)
cheers M
On 7/7/25 11:05 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
objection your honor
This PR fixes some of the color issues, which is currently broken/bugged/incomplete
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646 https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646__;!!Mih3wA!HxTHd-n3hgDyCGWXqQShosJycpFAOBf7bnXVEiRShXjVB2uvtAdqTQ5mJGHjWl85YsZpp-6RqQ$
There are still more things to take care of on this side, so can you check and merge it and just have a test2 before we nail it?
thanks
Em seg., 7 de jul. de 2025 às 18:02, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com escreveu:
not any objections from my side. but can we include https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631__;!!Mih3wA!HxTHd-n3hgDyCGWXqQShosJycpFAOBf7bnXVEiRShXjVB2uvtAdqTQ5mJGHjWl85YsZmHFMIIw$> so its easier for us to test > 0.56 development on Windows? -- Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas On 07/07/2025 17:31, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev wrote: > I think 0.56 is ready to go... any objections? > > cheers > M > > --- > pd-dev@lists.iem.at - the Pd developers' mailinglist > https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-dev@lists.iem.at/message/WKH7Q7LLSB3CEIG2YT552WSVRPKIC3OY/ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-dev@lists.iem.at/message/WKH7Q7LLSB3CEIG2YT552WSVRPKIC3OY/__;!!Mih3wA!HxTHd-n3hgDyCGWXqQShosJycpFAOBf7bnXVEiRShXjVB2uvtAdqTQ5mJGHjWl85YsaAVVB2_w$> > > --- pd-dev@lists.iem.at - the Pd developers' mailinglist https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-dev@lists.iem.at/message/GVC6EVQ55JBY3PMRBBMCXSNPZJGBGEJY/ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-dev@lists.iem.at/message/GVC6EVQ55JBY3PMRBBMCXSNPZJGBGEJY/__;!!Mih3wA!HxTHd-n3hgDyCGWXqQShosJycpFAOBf7bnXVEiRShXjVB2uvtAdqTQ5mJGHjWl85YsbXkcyKag$>
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I think most of what's in the color fix PR should be considered, except maybe the # stuff for now. Introducing colors will be great and remove a sore spot for many and the things addressed in the PR really refine these changes IMO:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
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On Jul 8, 2025, at 9:55 AM, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev pd-dev@lists.iem.at wrote:
There is too much stuff in there for me to check it carefully... I'd have to put out a new test release and wait a few more weeks. What are the urgently needed fixes? (patch cords of course.)
There are plenty of other color _features_ we should have but I want to just deal with the things that are truly needed :)
cheers M
On 7/7/25 11:05 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: objection your honor
This PR fixes some of the color issues, which is currently broken/bugged/incomplete
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646 https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646__;!!Mih3wA!HxTHd-n3hgDyCGWXqQShosJycpFAOBf7bnXVEiRShXjVB2uvtAdqTQ5mJGHjWl85YsZpp-6RqQ$
There are still more things to take care of on this side, so can you check and merge it and just have a test2 before we nail it?
thanks
Em seg., 7 de jul. de 2025 às 18:02, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com escreveu:
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I think 0.56 is ready to go... any objections?
cheers M
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Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 05:11, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
I think most of what's in the color fix PR should be considered, except maybe the # stuff for now.
Yeah, I guess this is the "biggest" one and more controversial, and it's tied to the iemguis issue. It should require a better discussion. I edited the first comment/description and improved the clarity a bit. I think they're all no-brainers and easy to incorporate. But dealing with the iemguis is still not ready and tricky. If you all want symbol, I can also try to let iemguis take color names like "black", "magenta" and "mistyrose".
Now, even though this takes care of most issues, there are still a couple more I wanted to add. At least one seems quite important, and it was brought up by you Dan, the ability to also set the blinking text edit marker. But that might be out of my scope... I'd also like to see Pd's console window take Pd's colors, but that seems even more tricky to me.
cheers
Introducing colors will be great and remove a sore spot for many and the things addressed in the PR really refine these changes IMO:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
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On Jul 8, 2025, at 9:55 AM, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev < pd-dev@lists.iem.at> wrote:
There is too much stuff in there for me to check it carefully... I'd have to put out a new test release and wait a few more weeks. What are the urgently needed fixes? (patch cords of course.)
There are plenty of other color _features_ we should have but I want to just deal with the things that are truly needed :)
cheers M
On 7/7/25 11:05 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
objection your honor
This PR fixes some of the color issues, which is currently broken/bugged/incomplete
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646 < https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646...
There are still more things to take care of on this side, so can you check and merge it and just have a test2 before we nail it?
thanks
Em seg., 7 de jul. de 2025 às 18:02, Lucas Cordiviola < lucarda27@hotmail.com> escreveu:
not any objections from my side. but can we include
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631
< https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631...
so its easier for us to
test > 0.56 development on Windows?
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I think 0.56 is ready to go... any objections?
cheers
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@Alex: Could you pull out the minimum changes you think would improve the color support as it is while leaving other things (features) for later, ie. fix things but leave IEM guis as is? I think handling console and other things is best left separately.
On Jul 8, 2025, at 6:13 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 05:11, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> escreveu:
I think most of what's in the color fix PR should be considered, except maybe the # stuff for now.
Yeah, I guess this is the "biggest" one and more controversial, and it's tied to the iemguis issue. It should require a better discussion. I edited the first comment/description and improved the clarity a bit. I think they're all no-brainers and easy to incorporate. But dealing with the iemguis is still not ready and tricky. If you all want symbol, I can also try to let iemguis take color names like "black", "magenta" and "mistyrose".
Now, even though this takes care of most issues, there are still a couple more I wanted to add. At least one seems quite important, and it was brought up by you Dan, the ability to also set the blinking text edit marker. But that might be out of my scope... I'd also like to see Pd's console window take Pd's colors, but that seems even more tricky to me.
cheers
Introducing colors will be great and remove a sore spot for many and the things addressed in the PR really refine these changes IMO:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
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On Jul 8, 2025, at 9:55 AM, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev <pd-dev@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-dev@lists.iem.at> wrote:
There is too much stuff in there for me to check it carefully... I'd have to put out a new test release and wait a few more weeks. What are the urgently needed fixes? (patch cords of course.)
There are plenty of other color _features_ we should have but I want to just deal with the things that are truly needed :)
cheers M
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Sure, we're working on that, Ben is, actually.
But let me be clear to all in here, the "# stuff" is not a feature
Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 13:30, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
@Alex: Could you pull out the minimum changes you think would improve the color support as it is while leaving other things (features)
Sure, we're working on that, Ben is, actually.
But let me be clear to all in here, the "# stuff" is not a "feature". On the contrary. The idea is to restrict the functionality and only use a hexcolor format. This would be easier on the Pd side cause we can check the format for invalid requests and prevent tcl/tk errors. This would also be easy/better for Pd forks like Pd-L@ork and PlugData that don't use tcl/tk, and also for iemguis. In order for not to mess with this and leave as is, unrestricted, I'm not sure it's possible to prevent those tcl/tk errors, and we'd have to add functionality to iemguis so they also take any symbols for colors.
for later, ie. fix things but leave IEM guis as is? I think handling
console and other things is best left separately.
I guess we can make a PR with all these requests, with the color restriction for last. The iemguis could be separate and this one should be considered first. If it's taken as it is, then I think it'd also be a no-brainer grabbing the iemguis loading Pd colors as the default. Handling those others separately as well also seems cool.
cheers
On Jul 8, 2025, at 6:13 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 05:11, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
I think most of what's in the color fix PR should be considered, except maybe the # stuff for now.
Yeah, I guess this is the "biggest" one and more controversial, and it's tied to the iemguis issue. It should require a better discussion. I edited the first comment/description and improved the clarity a bit. I think they're all no-brainers and easy to incorporate. But dealing with the iemguis is still not ready and tricky. If you all want symbol, I can also try to let iemguis take color names like "black", "magenta" and "mistyrose".
Now, even though this takes care of most issues, there are still a couple more I wanted to add. At least one seems quite important, and it was brought up by you Dan, the ability to also set the blinking text edit marker. But that might be out of my scope... I'd also like to see Pd's console window take Pd's colors, but that seems even more tricky to me.
cheers
Introducing colors will be great and remove a sore spot for many and the things addressed in the PR really refine these changes IMO:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Jul 8, 2025, at 9:55 AM, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev < pd-dev@lists.iem.at> wrote:
There is too much stuff in there for me to check it carefully... I'd have to put out a new test release and wait a few more weeks. What are the urgently needed fixes? (patch cords of course.)
There are plenty of other color _features_ we should have but I want to just deal with the things that are truly needed :)
cheers M
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
and here's a new simpler PR for a quicker consideration https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2668
Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 15:48, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
Sure, we're working on that, Ben is, actually.
But let me be clear to all in here, the "# stuff" is not a feature
Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 13:30, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
@Alex: Could you pull out the minimum changes you think would improve the color support as it is while leaving other things (features)
Sure, we're working on that, Ben is, actually.
But let me be clear to all in here, the "# stuff" is not a "feature". On the contrary. The idea is to restrict the functionality and only use a hexcolor format. This would be easier on the Pd side cause we can check the format for invalid requests and prevent tcl/tk errors. This would also be easy/better for Pd forks like Pd-L@ork and PlugData that don't use tcl/tk, and also for iemguis. In order for not to mess with this and leave as is, unrestricted, I'm not sure it's possible to prevent those tcl/tk errors, and we'd have to add functionality to iemguis so they also take any symbols for colors.
for later, ie. fix things but leave IEM guis as is? I think handling
console and other things is best left separately.
I guess we can make a PR with all these requests, with the color restriction for last. The iemguis could be separate and this one should be considered first. If it's taken as it is, then I think it'd also be a no-brainer grabbing the iemguis loading Pd colors as the default. Handling those others separately as well also seems cool.
cheers
On Jul 8, 2025, at 6:13 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
Em ter., 8 de jul. de 2025 às 05:11, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
I think most of what's in the color fix PR should be considered, except maybe the # stuff for now.
Yeah, I guess this is the "biggest" one and more controversial, and it's tied to the iemguis issue. It should require a better discussion. I edited the first comment/description and improved the clarity a bit. I think they're all no-brainers and easy to incorporate. But dealing with the iemguis is still not ready and tricky. If you all want symbol, I can also try to let iemguis take color names like "black", "magenta" and "mistyrose".
Now, even though this takes care of most issues, there are still a couple more I wanted to add. At least one seems quite important, and it was brought up by you Dan, the ability to also set the blinking text edit marker. But that might be out of my scope... I'd also like to see Pd's console window take Pd's colors, but that seems even more tricky to me.
cheers
Introducing colors will be great and remove a sore spot for many and the things addressed in the PR really refine these changes IMO:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2646
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Jul 8, 2025, at 9:55 AM, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev < pd-dev@lists.iem.at> wrote:
There is too much stuff in there for me to check it carefully... I'd have to put out a new test release and wait a few more weeks. What are the urgently needed fixes? (patch cords of course.)
There are plenty of other color _features_ we should have but I want to just deal with the things that are truly needed :)
cheers M
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On 07.07.2025 23:01, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
not any objections from my side. but can we include https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631 so its easier for us to test > 0.56 development on Windows?
I would like to second Lucas' request :)
There is at least one show stopper: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/2654.
Apart from that, I didn't notice any issues with my recent projects.
Christof
Sorry, I just saw this - I thought I had this fixed here:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/a8512585aaeee09d647fb50c6c08af...
... I'll try to figure out what's going on.
On 7/7/25 11:01 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
not any objections from my side. but can we include https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/2631... so its easier for us to test > 0.56 development on Windows?