On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 19:32, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> wrote:

Hey Miller,

I actually think this would make switching between vanilla and extended easier because it would make people use [import] or [declare] to load libs, then when using vanilla, you'll know which libraries the patch needs. Can you think of examples where it would make things more difficult?

To see which libraries Pd-extended is loading at startup, you can switch to the 'debug' view in the log, and you'll see:

libdir loader 1.9
compiled on Sep 19 2011 at 03:25:20
compiled against Pd version 0.43.1.extended-20110919
libdir_loader: added 'vanilla' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'extra' to the global objectclass path
GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia
GEM: ver: 0.93.SVN rev4516
GEM: compiled: Sep 19 2011
GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig
GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version)
GEM: Chris Clepper
GEM: Cyrille Henry
GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig
GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, James Tittle, Hans-Christoph Steiner, et al.
GEM: found a bug? miss a feature? please report it:
GEM: homepage http://gem.iem.at/
GEM: bug-tracker http://sourceforge.net/projects/pd-gem/
GEM: mailing-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev/
GEM: compiled for SIMD architecture: SSE2 MMX
GEM: using SSE2 optimization
libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path
libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path

.hc

On Sep 19, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:

Hi Hans -

Perhaps better would be to make it read-only so one can query it.

I'm not sure, but there still might be complications for people switching
back and forth between vanilla and extended, for example, which would be
easiest to resolve if the GUI tools were there :)

M

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 03:31:41PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

For next Pd-extended release, the same set of libraries that have been
loading automatically at start-up would continue to be loaded as usual.
It is just that there wouldn't be a GUI for people to modify that list
of libraries that are loaded at startup. I think most Pd-extended users
don't use the startup libs preference already, so I am guessing most
people wouldn't notice.

.hc

On Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:09 PM, "João Pais"
<jmmmpais@googlemail.com> wrote:

you'll have lots of newbies complaining that their objects don't load?
(it's a good way to force everyone to use namespaces)

I am thinking for the next release of Pd-extended, that the preferences
panels for loading libs and adding paths should be removed. [import]
and [declare] cover all it can do in a better way, and people who really
want to have libs and paths loaded globally on start-up can use either a
manually written preferences file or the command line flags.

I could see maybe keeping the paths GUI, but I don't see any good
reasons to keep the startup libs GUI. Anyone have objections?

.hc