anyway, I am changing the documentation to say these used to be cheaper objects still here for backwards compatibility, but now they're the same.I am also changing audio examples that use the older version for no good reason.Hopefully this makes it into the final 53-1 release about to come out anytime soonEm qua., 14 de dez. de 2022 às 09:06, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com> escreveu:this goes back to version 0,33! changed somewhere before but miller's site has a gap before 0.33 in 'older version'Em qua., 14 de dez. de 2022 às 08:47, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com> escreveu:Em qua., 14 de dez. de 2022 às 05:50, Sebastian Shader via Pd-dev <pd-dev@lists.iem.at> escreveu:the source in d_math.c seems to indicate that they are actually the same class/perform (,,,) is the documentation incorrect about them being different?yup, I can confirm they're the same thing. Code must have changed at some point. I wonder when/how that happened.cheers