Sorry for your MacBook!<br>Well lets keep designing this before jumping on the code... If we want proper tabs, that will take Tk 8.5. Now that we don&#39;t want pd to depend on 8.5, we could make this up as a plugin, which would let pd start up without 8.5 as well. What do you think?<br>

Andras<br><br>ps i have rerouted the thread to pd-dev.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/1/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div><div>Wow, that sucks!  Good luck with the new computer!</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div><div>On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Rich E wrote:</div>

<br><blockquote type="cite">Well, I wanted to take this on if others thought it was a good idea, but my laptop was just stolen from my flat (brand new Macbook Pro!).. arg.  Hopefully I can scrape together a linux pc or something soon.  If so, I´ll chime back in on this thread for suggestions.<br>

 <br><div>rich</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/1/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank">hans@at.or.at</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

 <div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><div></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:12 PM, András Murányi wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Rich E wrote:<br> &gt; Hi list,<br> &gt;<br> &gt; I was just thinking, as I noticed that Hans made it where Apple+, opens the<br>

 &gt; preferences menu on OS X (as does every other native-mac app), why not group<br> &gt; all the preferences in one dialog, with sub dialogs?  This is how other apps<br> &gt; I use on OS X behave and I find it convenient.  Besides, if you save the<br>

 &gt; settings, all of the settings get dumped to the preferences file, no?  Why<br> &gt; not have them all in the same dialog, openable by a hotkey.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank">hans@at.or.at</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

 <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> The only reason its not like that is because someone hasn&#39;t done the<br> work.  I&#39;d love to be able to include that work in pd-gui-rewrite.  Be<br>

 aware, it&#39;ll probably require some weirdness, because of the nature of<br> the messages that the pref panels send to &#39;pd&#39;.  But I don&#39;t think it<br> would be too hard.<br> <br> One downside is that it you couldn&#39;t use Tcl/Tk 8.5 if you want it to be<br>

 included in Pd-vanilla.  But I am planning on switching Pd-extended 0.43<br> to Tcl/Tk 8.5 and above, since 8.5 adds a lot of very useful GUI stuff.<br> <br> .hc<br> <div><div></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>

 <br>Let me think a bit forward on this... when you say a dialog and sub dialogs, do you mean a dialog with multiple tabs (that is what i see to be popular in practice) or literally many modals available from one central modal?<br>

 I&#39;d say tabs make the most sense, but i see that some of the dialogs are produced by the C <br>side not Tcl/Tk (are they?) in which case it will not be easy to stuff them into the tabs.<br>I&#39;m asking because i would be willing to code this up.<br>

 </div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div></div>In 0.43, the prefs dialogs are split out into separate Tcl files:<div>dialog_audio.tcl</div><div>dialog_midi.tcl</div><div>dialog_path.tcl</div><div>dialog_startup.tcl</div>

 <div><br></div><div>I think each in its own tab makes a lot of sense.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div><br><div> <span style="font-size: 12px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><br>

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