this goes back to version 0,33! changed somewhere before but miller's site has a gap before 0.33 in 'older version'Em qua., 14 de dez. de 2022 às 08:47, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com> escreveu:Em qua., 14 de dez. de 2022 às 05:50, Sebastian Shader via Pd-dev <pd-dev@lists.iem.at> escreveu:the source in d_math.c seems to indicate that they are actually the same class/perform (,,,) is the documentation incorrect about them being different?yup, I can confirm they're the same thing. Code must have changed at some point. I wonder when/how that happened.cheers