Pd-dev October 2012

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I have 3 broken installs [was: Re: double precision Pd: .patch files, tests and benchmarks]
by András Murányi 23 Feb '13

23 Feb '13

> >>>> Do you have access to an ARM >>>>> machine? If not, I could probably get one online with ssh access, if >>>>> that's >>>>> useful. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I've mailed Joe White with the question if he can patch the code for >>>> libpd and check performance on ARM. He has done some extremely popular >>>> RjDj apps and needed to optimize for them as well. Think it would be >>>> good anyway to keep in touch with libpd users and app programmers >>>> about this topic, even though we're in an early stage with it. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Yes definitely, we should let everyone who wants to be get involved. I >>> am just saying with need a development platform to start with. Once that's >>> nailed down, we can deal with more issues, like porting to libpd, dealing >>> with externals that could be either 32-bit or 64-bit, etc. >>> >>> I setup a nightly build on the macosx106-x86_64 and called it pd-double. >>> Andras and r33p, if you are listening, could you run this build on your >>> 64-bit boxes also? All you need to do is: >>> >>> ~pd/auto-build >>> cp -a pd-extended pd-double >>> >>> >> Listening now. >> I did: >> $ cd ~pd/auto-build >> $ sudo cp -a pd-extended pd-double >> What's next? Shall I try patching or rather pull IOhannes's sources? >> >> >> If you have the run-automated-builder script in a cron job, that is all >> you have to do. >> >> .hc >> >> > Ah, so tomorrow a single and double precision build will automatically be > made? Cool. > > Also, as I was busy with my life (buying a flat) these days, and I couldn't > follow the list as precisely as I wished, could you advise me what's the > current best way to roll my own double precision pd? Because I would like to > benchmark a fully optimised one. > > > That would great to have those numbers. [...] > Aaargh. I've arrived to the point where I have almost no functional pd on my box (with the exception of l2ork). vanilla says: "bash: /usr/bin/pd: No such file or directory" (i remember this is a known issue... for 64bit? can it be fixed by any chance?) extended (latest autobuild), and the fresh-built double keep on saying "watchdog: signaling pd..." What did I mess up? Will complete removals/reinstalls help? Andras

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Re: [PD-dev] [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.43-3 released
by IOhannes m zmoelnig 09 Dec '12

09 Dec '12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-07-03 23:11, Miller Puckette wrote: > Hi all, > > Pd version 0.43-3 is available on > http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm cool. > > I'm ready to start hacking on 0.44. The most urgent thing seems to > be for me to go back and work on the audio system (and perhaps > tweak MIDI a bit more too). i have a project lying on my hardisk for >1 year (iirc, shortly before the 0.32.0 release), that is related to that: separating the audio system(s) from Pd-core. background: currently Pd supports a number of audio-backends. while these backends are mainly separated into several source files (e.g. s_audio_alsa.c for ALSA), there is a lot of theoretically backend-agnostic code (s_audio, s_midi, s_main) cluttered with "#ifdef USEAPI_ALSA" and the like. this makes the current code badly readable and thus maintainable, it also makes it hard to add new audio systems as backends (and the more you add, the more complicated the codebase gets). more background: currently all audio backends are linked to the main "Pd" binary. if your version of Pd is compiled for alsa, jack, OSS and portaudio (the default on debian), you have quite a number of dependencies. (as maintainer of the "puredata" debian package i prefer to keep necessary dependencies at a minimum). furthermore, Pd supports outdated/deprecated backends like OSS (both audio and midi). in practice i haven't used OSS-midi for a number of years (and i doubt whether it is actually still supported by the mainline kernels), and i used OSS-audio only seldomly in very specific setups. from this i follow, that the majority of people have to fight their way through a lot of dead options that are more confusing than helpful, and which should probably be removed in most cases. suggestion: so what i ended up doing, was separate the audio-backends from the pd-core code a bit more, in a similar way to how Pd's object registration works. the means that people could write new audio-backends and load them on-demand, just like "externals". it also means that Pd's non-audiosystem codebase has only a minimum of "#ifdef USEAPI_ALSA" (there's only one, when it comes to loading the "internal" audio-system at startup). all this also applies to MIDI. if there's interest, i could cleanup the patches (and make them work again with 0.43.3) and submit them for review. if there's confusion, i could try to try again and explain what i want. fgmasdr IOhannes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/z9ewACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRvMwCgv2NPmX2Hx9wZSubBHA3mKpRd IrkAoJbWuNJF1Gu2X7Vg1T+f1NHUdBbi =fPn6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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lib name and trunk commit
by Cyrille Henry 01 Nov '12

01 Nov '12

hello, I would like to commit a new library. I've heard that having a pmpd object in a pmpd lib did cause problem for some, but i can't remember why. so does it matter to have a library name different from all objects name, or can i use the same? Since finding a lib is harder when it's located in a developer directory, and since i will not be the only dev for this lib, can i upload it directly in trunc, or should i still use the nusmuk folder? cheeers cyrille

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[ pure-data-Bugs-3582240 ] cyclone/comment in gop
by SourceForge.net 31 Oct '12

31 Oct '12

Bugs item #3582240, was opened at 2012-10-31 07:41 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by nykto You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3582240&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: v0.43 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Patrice Colet (nykto) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: cyclone/comment in gop Initial Comment: cyclone/comment doesn't appear in graph on parent tested on pd-extended and pd-vanilla 0.43, win32. I don't know if it's a bug since comments should be ignored in gop, but it would be nice to have [cyclone/comment] appearing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3582240&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3529183 ] toggling editmode when canvas is not vised causes Tcl dumps
by SourceForge.net 31 Oct '12

31 Oct '12

Patches item #3529183, was opened at 2012-05-23 12:09 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3529183&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata >Group: bugfix Status: Open Resolution: None >Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Patrice Colet (patrco) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: toggling editmode when canvas is not vised causes Tcl dumps Initial Comment: Many bugs are appearing in tcl, one is easy to reproduce, it's attached the console says in red "invalid command name: .xff8f58 while executing " .xff8f58 configure -cursor $cursor_run_mode_nothing" when clicking on toggle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Patrice Colet (patrco) Date: 2012-05-23 12:16 Message: Could you try a nightly build and report back whether the problem still exists? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Patrice Colet (patrco) Date: 2012-05-23 12:16 Message: Could you try a nightly build and report back whether the problem still exists? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3529183&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3529183 ] toggling editmode when canvas is not vised causes Tcl dumps
by SourceForge.net 31 Oct '12

31 Oct '12

Patches item #3529183, was opened at 2012-05-23 12:09 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3529183&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. >Category: puredata >Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None >Priority: 6 Private: No Submitted By: Patrice Colet (patrco) >Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) >Summary: toggling editmode when canvas is not vised causes Tcl dumps Initial Comment: Many bugs are appearing in tcl, one is easy to reproduce, it's attached the console says in red "invalid command name: .xff8f58 while executing " .xff8f58 configure -cursor $cursor_run_mode_nothing" when clicking on toggle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Patrice Colet (patrco) Date: 2012-05-23 12:16 Message: Could you try a nightly build and report back whether the problem still exists? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Patrice Colet (patrco) Date: 2012-05-23 12:16 Message: Could you try a nightly build and report back whether the problem still exists? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3529183&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-3581960 ] loading 24bit soundfile into array with soundfiler
by SourceForge.net 30 Oct '12

30 Oct '12

Bugs item #3581960, was opened at 2012-10-30 10:57 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3581960&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: v0.42 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: loading 24bit soundfile into array with soundfiler Initial Comment: There seems to be a bug reading 24 bit sounfiles into arrays with soundfiler. Please see the patch attached. The amplitude values are really high so be careful with the levels! This was also reported by me here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/78636 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3581960&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3578746 ] [bugfix]: non-2^n-BS bug
by SourceForge.net 30 Oct '12

30 Oct '12

Patches item #3578746, was opened at 2012-10-20 10:47 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by zmoelnig You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3578746&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: [bugfix]: non-2^n-BS bug Initial Comment: I'm really not a 'spammer'! ...nor a hypochondriac... I've tested several versions of pd (0.42.5 - 0.43.3 (ext/van)). None of them is working with non-2^n-BSes! On the mailing-list ( http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-dev@iem.at/msg11344.html ), Claude Heiland-Allen states that it is already implemented.. (Thanks Claude) But I can't confirm that. I've tried the patch he posted there, - without success: The blocksize is always rounded to the next bigger power of 2, it seems! I don't know what he's on, but I'm on windows. Maybe that makes the difference.. (Is this a hardware- or Os-dependent feature..??) Please take a look at the attached pd-patch. It's my attempt to work out the problem.. If someone could give me a resonable answer, I promise I'll never come back again ;) ...for this issue... PS: It feels a little annoying if one does not get a real response or not a response at all! (Eg. look at the feature requests. The last one on the 1st page is like 2 years old, so you can't say there are too many to respond to each one..). This especially is true if the response is longer than the acual answer like "Yes", "No" or "I don't know". That would have been a big help for me already. Although it's not making the bug disappear automatically... Anything like if it is a useful/good idea is something I'd like to know, when posting something, for exapmle.. But no, I won't be scared away so easily.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-10-30 00:50 Message: feel free to report oddities as bugs - and please report each oddity as a separate bug (in the bug-tracker rather than follow-ups on this ticket) als make sure you report issues and don't ask questions like "how does this work?" :-) (and if you want to discuss the tracker/forum/mailinglist/IRC thing, please join the mailinglist and/or the IRC...!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-10-29 23:13 Message: ...oh now it's here... Just in case you're working on BS-things anyways I only wanted to mention that I have some more BS-related oddities. If you are interested, I can do a search and gather them. If you are talking about the hurleur-forum, I always thought that was not the right place for the devs?!? ..I haven't been there for a while ...since I have no problems with the installation... ;) I never wanted it to be only a question.. and it finally turned out to be a real bug. ..after the third try to convince you... ...I do what I can to help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-10-25 07:43 Message: @op: if you don't feel comfortable with the mailinglists, why not use another support-channel (IRC, forum?) the sf-trackers are here to track bugs and issues, not questions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-10-25 07:38 Message: indeed i can confirm the bug (as discussed on the mailinglist). i'll attach a (simplistic?) fix that appears to make it work with current git (and this time i tried hard to avoid introducing trailing whitespaces) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-10-24 06:38 Message: I didn't know about that. I find the lists to be a little confusing.. There are so many, with all the archives. And sometimes some posts (from sf) only occur at the archive if I'm not mistaken..??? But I'll take a closer look... Anyways, did you (or someone else) take a look at the file?? Oh and just let me take this chance to thank you very very much for this brilliant piece of software. This is far more than programming. If it wasn't that good, it wouldn't have take me that much time... ..I mean I wouldn't have spent it... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Date: 2012-10-20 21:38 Message: Sorry - SF is a pain for me - can you follow up on the mailing list? That way more people will be able to find the long thread that will doubtless ensue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3578746&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3578746 ] [bugfix]: non-2^n-BS bug
by SourceForge.net 30 Oct '12

30 Oct '12

Patches item #3578746, was opened at 2012-10-20 10:47 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3578746&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: [bugfix]: non-2^n-BS bug Initial Comment: I'm really not a 'spammer'! ...nor a hypochondriac... I've tested several versions of pd (0.42.5 - 0.43.3 (ext/van)). None of them is working with non-2^n-BSes! On the mailing-list ( http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-dev@iem.at/msg11344.html ), Claude Heiland-Allen states that it is already implemented.. (Thanks Claude) But I can't confirm that. I've tried the patch he posted there, - without success: The blocksize is always rounded to the next bigger power of 2, it seems! I don't know what he's on, but I'm on windows. Maybe that makes the difference.. (Is this a hardware- or Os-dependent feature..??) Please take a look at the attached pd-patch. It's my attempt to work out the problem.. If someone could give me a resonable answer, I promise I'll never come back again ;) ...for this issue... PS: It feels a little annoying if one does not get a real response or not a response at all! (Eg. look at the feature requests. The last one on the 1st page is like 2 years old, so you can't say there are too many to respond to each one..). This especially is true if the response is longer than the acual answer like "Yes", "No" or "I don't know". That would have been a big help for me already. Although it's not making the bug disappear automatically... Anything like if it is a useful/good idea is something I'd like to know, when posting something, for exapmle.. But no, I won't be scared away so easily.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-10-29 23:13 Message: ...oh now it's here... Just in case you're working on BS-things anyways I only wanted to mention that I have some more BS-related oddities. If you are interested, I can do a search and gather them. If you are talking about the hurleur-forum, I always thought that was not the right place for the devs?!? ..I haven't been there for a while ...since I have no problems with the installation... ;) I never wanted it to be only a question.. and it finally turned out to be a real bug. ..after the third try to convince you... ...I do what I can to help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-10-25 07:43 Message: @op: if you don't feel comfortable with the mailinglists, why not use another support-channel (IRC, forum?) the sf-trackers are here to track bugs and issues, not questions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-10-25 07:38 Message: indeed i can confirm the bug (as discussed on the mailinglist). i'll attach a (simplistic?) fix that appears to make it work with current git (and this time i tried hard to avoid introducing trailing whitespaces) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-10-24 06:38 Message: I didn't know about that. I find the lists to be a little confusing.. There are so many, with all the archives. And sometimes some posts (from sf) only occur at the archive if I'm not mistaken..??? But I'll take a closer look... Anyways, did you (or someone else) take a look at the file?? Oh and just let me take this chance to thank you very very much for this brilliant piece of software. This is far more than programming. If it wasn't that good, it wouldn't have take me that much time... ..I mean I wouldn't have spent it... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Date: 2012-10-20 21:38 Message: Sorry - SF is a pain for me - can you follow up on the mailing list? That way more people will be able to find the long thread that will doubtless ensue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3578746&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3581737 ] OpenBSD support
by SourceForge.net 30 Oct '12

30 Oct '12

Patches item #3581737, was opened at 2012-10-29 16:36 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by fgsch You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3581737&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Federico Schwindt (fgsch) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: OpenBSD support Initial Comment: FIrst round of patches to add support for OpenBSD. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Federico Schwindt (fgsch) Date: 2012-10-29 19:01 Message: That'd be ideal but since I'm not sure about the other changes (using config headers, etc.) I'm submitting what I know for certain that won't change depending on the approach. For example what should I do if alloca.h doesn't exist? In my git repo I have #ifdef HAVE_ALLOCA_H where the define is driven from autotools header check but I'm still unclear whether you want to use the headers or not (and the reason you might not want to do it since you're already using autotools). Happy to submit everything in one go if you can suggest what the best course of action is. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-10-29 18:57 Message: The best thing to do would be to make a single patch that includes everything needed for OpenBSD support. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3581737&group_…

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