Pd-dev September 2008

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1944125 ] comport: stop bit settings
by SourceForge.net 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Bugs item #1944125, was opened at 2008-04-16 11:24 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mrpeach You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1944125&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: None >Status: Pending Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thomas Grill (xovo) Assigned to: Winfried Ritsch (ritsch) Summary: comport: stop bit settings Initial Comment: It seems that the comport object doesn't handle stop bit settings correctly (at least under Windows). I have frequent crashes with keyspan drivers (which seem to be buggy too) because of that. x->dcb.StopBits has three possible settings 0 for 1 stop bit, 1 for 1.5 bits, 2 for 2 bits There seems to be a mismatch between the set_serial function, with x->stop_bits = x->dcb.StopBits; and the set_stopflag function, where there's only a a check whether nr == 1. A quick and dirty fix that works for me is to set (in set_serial): x->stop_bits = (x->dcb.StopBits)?1:0; but that's no real solution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Martin Peach (mrpeach) Date: 2008-09-16 16:23 Message: This should work properly now. Setting 1.5 stop bits still gives an error if the hardware can't do it, but 1 and 2 seem to work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1944125&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-2030539 ] moonlib/tabread2 patch
by SourceForge.net 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Patches item #2030539, was opened at 2008-07-28 13:50 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mrpeach You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2030539&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: bugfix >Status: Pending Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Martin Peach (mrpeach) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: moonlib/tabread2 patch Initial Comment: (If Antoine Rousseau is listening, this is for you...) This patch lets the dump message work properly in tabread2. It just appends a 0 to the args in the setup function: class_addmethod(tabdump_class,(t_method)tabdump_dump,gensym("dump"),A_FLOAT,A_FLOAT,0); At the moment only one of the args is accepted, the other is always 0. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Martin Peach (mrpeach) Date: 2008-09-16 14:47 Message: The bug is fixed. The help file works properly now, at least on WinXP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2008-09-09 18:04 Message: I don't think moonlib has been maintained for a very long time. I imported the code into SVN. If you are fixing a bug, then I say just check it into SVN. But since it is code that is frozen years in the past, I do not think that it any functionality should be changed or added. If you want to improve something in moonlib, I say copy the code and start a new object elsewhere. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2030539&group_…

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ALSA ctrl object?
by PSPunch 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Hi all, I am in need for an object to emulate the following command. $ amixer -c 1 cset numid=2 0 Perhaps an object such as... [alsa_ctl 1 2] Where the right inlet modifies numID and left for the value. This is planned to be executed several times per second which executing the shell command within Pd is probably not so efficient. The ALSA API is quite a maze to me and I thought I'd ask if someone had already done anything similar before stepping in further. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto

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Alternative to Portaudio under Windows
by PSPunch 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Hi, This was just a thought and not a theme I need immediate answers. I believe it is common understanding that Pd on Windows has much latency issues than on other platforms. Has there been any attempts like, say, add native ASIO support to Pd? Is there any specific process towards the end of the chain which makes it difficult to add new types of outputs? -- David Shimamoto

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1191610 ] subpatch rename
by SourceForge.net 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Bugs item #1191610, was opened at 2005-04-28 12:28 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by zmoelnig You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1191610&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: subpatch rename Initial Comment: 1 create a subpatch (pd sub). 2 create object (ctl 1) click only once into the canvas (the object is still blue) 3 rename the subpatch to a unknown object (trtrtrtrtr) 4 pd freezes. marius.schebella_at_chello.at ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2008-09-16 10:06 Message: the problem is that glist_noselect() is called recursively and thus it's inner while-loop does not return (since glist_deselect() immediately quits and therefore the terminating condition (which should be set within glist_deselect()) is never met. a quick and dirty hack is to comment out the line g_editor.c:174 ("if (reenter) return;" in glist_deselect()) however, the re-entrance code seems to be there on purpose, so i guess, my "solution" is NOT recommended. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: marius schebella (mariusschebella) Date: 2008-09-16 05:12 Message: just had a dj vu. this bug is still freezing Pd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2007-10-16 13:35 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=564396 Originator: NO raised priority since it (still) hangs Pd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: ClaudiusMaximus (claudiusmaximus) Date: 2005-11-09 00:33 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=769033 I just ran into this bug (or related bug): 1. create a subpatch [pd test] 2. create a couple of number boxes in the subpatch 3. click into the canvas of the subpatch 4. select the number boxes in the subpatch 5. click into the [pd test] box and rename it to the object [mtof] 6. on clicking into the canvas, Pd hangs: Pd version 0.39-1 compiled 05:20:44 Nov 7 2005 (gdb) where #0 glist_deselect (x=0x828b2a0, y=0x8289178) at g_editor.c:215 #1 0x08086de1 in glist_noselect (x=0x828b2a0) at g_editor.c:222 #2 0x0805961c in canvas_free (x=0x828b2a0) at g_canvas.c:873 #3 0x080a4387 in pd_free (x=0x828b2a0) at m_pd.c:33 #4 0x0805c2a9 in glist_delete (x=0x8249318, y=0x828b2a0) at g_graph.c:120 #5 0x08062b82 in text_setto (x=0x0, glist=0x8249318, buf=0x4b <Address 0x4b out of bounds>, bufsize=54) at g_text.c:1293 #6 0x080818c1 in glist_deselect (x=0x8249318, y=0x828b2a0) at g_editor.c:207 #7 0x08083229 in canvas_doclick (x=0x8249318, xpos=115, ypos=82, which=1, mod=137019608, doit=1) at g_editor.c:222 #8 0x080875db in canvas_mousedown (x=0x8295a88, xpos=0, ypos=0, which=0, mod=0) at g_editor.c:1252 #9 0x080a54ed in pd_typedmess (x=0x8249318, s=0x82ac0c8, argc=136614680, argv=0x42e60000) at m_class.c:728 #10 0x080a53b6 in pd_typedmess (x=0x82bfc90, s=0x82ac0c8, argc=4, argv=0x81266e8) at m_class.c:749 #11 0x080a8894 in binbuf_eval (x=0x8295a88, target=0x82bfc90, argc=0, argv=0x0) at m_binbuf.c:574 #12 0x080b0cf0 in socketreceiver_read (x=0x8243228, fd=0) at s_inter.c:540 #13 0x080b28bf in sys_domicrosleep (microsec=136927880, pollem=1) at s_inter.c:180 #14 0x080b1f58 in sys_microsleep (microsec=136927880) at s_inter.c:202 #15 0x080ad6cf in m_scheduler () at m_sched.c:487 #16 0x080b80db in main (argc=136927880, argv=0x8295a88) at s_entry.c:27 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1191610&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1191610 ] subpatch rename
by SourceForge.net 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Bugs item #1191610, was opened at 2005-04-28 06:28 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mariusschebella You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1191610&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: subpatch rename Initial Comment: 1 create a subpatch (pd sub). 2 create object (ctl 1) click only once into the canvas (the object is still blue) 3 rename the subpatch to a unknown object (trtrtrtrtr) 4 pd freezes. marius.schebella_at_chello.at ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: marius schebella (mariusschebella) Date: 2008-09-15 23:12 Message: just had a dj vu. this bug is still freezing Pd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2007-10-16 07:35 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=564396 Originator: NO raised priority since it (still) hangs Pd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: ClaudiusMaximus (claudiusmaximus) Date: 2005-11-08 18:33 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=769033 I just ran into this bug (or related bug): 1. create a subpatch [pd test] 2. create a couple of number boxes in the subpatch 3. click into the canvas of the subpatch 4. select the number boxes in the subpatch 5. click into the [pd test] box and rename it to the object [mtof] 6. on clicking into the canvas, Pd hangs: Pd version 0.39-1 compiled 05:20:44 Nov 7 2005 (gdb) where #0 glist_deselect (x=0x828b2a0, y=0x8289178) at g_editor.c:215 #1 0x08086de1 in glist_noselect (x=0x828b2a0) at g_editor.c:222 #2 0x0805961c in canvas_free (x=0x828b2a0) at g_canvas.c:873 #3 0x080a4387 in pd_free (x=0x828b2a0) at m_pd.c:33 #4 0x0805c2a9 in glist_delete (x=0x8249318, y=0x828b2a0) at g_graph.c:120 #5 0x08062b82 in text_setto (x=0x0, glist=0x8249318, buf=0x4b <Address 0x4b out of bounds>, bufsize=54) at g_text.c:1293 #6 0x080818c1 in glist_deselect (x=0x8249318, y=0x828b2a0) at g_editor.c:207 #7 0x08083229 in canvas_doclick (x=0x8249318, xpos=115, ypos=82, which=1, mod=137019608, doit=1) at g_editor.c:222 #8 0x080875db in canvas_mousedown (x=0x8295a88, xpos=0, ypos=0, which=0, mod=0) at g_editor.c:1252 #9 0x080a54ed in pd_typedmess (x=0x8249318, s=0x82ac0c8, argc=136614680, argv=0x42e60000) at m_class.c:728 #10 0x080a53b6 in pd_typedmess (x=0x82bfc90, s=0x82ac0c8, argc=4, argv=0x81266e8) at m_class.c:749 #11 0x080a8894 in binbuf_eval (x=0x8295a88, target=0x82bfc90, argc=0, argv=0x0) at m_binbuf.c:574 #12 0x080b0cf0 in socketreceiver_read (x=0x8243228, fd=0) at s_inter.c:540 #13 0x080b28bf in sys_domicrosleep (microsec=136927880, pollem=1) at s_inter.c:180 #14 0x080b1f58 in sys_microsleep (microsec=136927880) at s_inter.c:202 #15 0x080ad6cf in m_scheduler () at m_sched.c:487 #16 0x080b80db in main (argc=136927880, argv=0x8295a88) at s_entry.c:27 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1191610&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-2013659 ] Arrow keys (should not) change the modified status of patch
by SourceForge.net 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Patches item #2013659, was opened at 2008-07-08 19:17 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by zmoelnig You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2013659&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. >Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None >Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Frank Barknecht (fbar) >Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) >Summary: Arrow keys (should not) change the modified status of patch Initial Comment: Anytime an arrow key (Up, Down, Left, Right) is pressed, the patch file that has focus is marked as "dirty" as if there was a modification made in edit mode: The little star appears in the window title and on closing the patch, Pd asks if changes should be saved. Checked with pd 41.4, pd-extended from 2008-06-27 on OS-X and pd 0.41 on Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2008-09-15 17:08 Message: the solution is rather simple: g_editor.c:canvas_displaceselection() should return immediately if nothing is selected the attached patch fixes this File Added: g_editor.diff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2013659&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2110985 ] Keyboard shortcuts problems in OS X 10.5.4
by SourceForge.net 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Bugs item #2110985, was opened at 2008-09-14 22:14 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2110985&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Keyboard shortcuts problems in OS X 10.5.4 Initial Comment: Hello, One problem that i noticed is about keyboard shortcuts. When my selected language in keyboard is in Greek, then no shortcut working in pd, neither the keyboard-shortcut for changing my language. So i must go to menu bar with the mouse and select english language, or press with the mouse the Desktop and then use my selected chnange-language keyboard-shortcut(Cmd+space) My laptop is a macbook 2Ghz Intel and pd version is " Pd version 0.40.3-extended " Also the sudden crashes of pd remain as a problem but happen less frequently than previous versions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2110985&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2108212 ] bug
by SourceForge.net 13 Sep '08

13 Sep '08

Bugs item #2108212, was opened at 2008-09-12 19:48 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2108212&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: None >Status: Pending Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: bug Initial Comment: audio input devices: 0. Logitech Microphone (Zoom) 1. Conexant AMC Audio audio output devices: 0. Conexant AMC Audio API number 3 no midi input devices found MIDI output devices: 1. Synth. SW table de sons GS Mic libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $ written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> compiled on Jul 21 2008 at 06:15:17 compiled against Pd version 0.40.3.extended-20080721 GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.91-cvs GEM: compiled: Apr 12 2008 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version) GEM: Chris Clepper GEM: James Tittle GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry, et al. GEM: compiled for SIMD architecture: SSE2 MMX GEM: using SSE2 optimization Gem Man: QT init OK libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'creb' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'cxc' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'iemlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'list-abs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mapping' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'markex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'maxlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'memento' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mjlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'motex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'oscx' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pddp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pdogg' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pixeltango' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pmpd' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'rradical' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sigpack' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'smlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'toxy' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'unauthorized' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pan' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'freeverb' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'hcs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'jmmmp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ext13' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ggee' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'flib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ekext' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'flatspace' to the global objectclass path [list2symbol] part of zexy-2.2.1 (compiled: Jul 21 2008) Copyright (l) 1999-2007 IOhannes m zmlnig, forum::fr::umlute & IEM beware! this is widget 0.1, 19th alpha build... warning (Widget): no file 'setup.wid'... using built-in defaults beware! this is tot 0.1, 19th alpha build... [makesymbol] part of zexy-2.2.1 (compiled: Jul 21 2008) Copyright (l) 1999-2007 IOhannes m zmlnig, forum::fr::umlute & IEM consistency check failed: widget_anything consistency check failed: widget_symbol consistency check failed: widget_symbol consistency check failed: widget_symbol widget's error: creation failure ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. see standard error for details widget's error: creation failure see standard error for details widget q snd -width 100 ... couldn't create SoundBankk: No Files Matching Criteria SoundBankk: No Files Matching Criteria SoundBankk: Folder Allready Exist SoundBankk: Folder Allready Exist error: 0-soundbank-gui: no such object loading scriptlet file "scriptlet" tot's error: error while loading file "scriptlet" warning (tot): using containing canvas ('capture') widget's error: creation failure see standard error for details ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2008-09-12 20:26 Message: An example patch is always very helpful, especially if it triggers the problem every time that it is run. Ideally the example patch would have only enough objects to cause the problem, but nothing else. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2108212&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2108212 ] bug
by SourceForge.net 13 Sep '08

13 Sep '08

Bugs item #2108212, was opened at 2008-09-12 23:48 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2108212&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: bug Initial Comment: audio input devices: 0. Logitech Microphone (Zoom) 1. Conexant AMC Audio audio output devices: 0. Conexant AMC Audio API number 3 no midi input devices found MIDI output devices: 1. Synth. SW table de sons GS Mic libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $ written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> compiled on Jul 21 2008 at 06:15:17 compiled against Pd version 0.40.3.extended-20080721 GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.91-cvs GEM: compiled: Apr 12 2008 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version) GEM: Chris Clepper GEM: James Tittle GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry, et al. GEM: compiled for SIMD architecture: SSE2 MMX GEM: using SSE2 optimization Gem Man: QT init OK libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'creb' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'cxc' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'iemlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'list-abs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mapping' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'markex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'maxlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'memento' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mjlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'motex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'oscx' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pddp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pdogg' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pixeltango' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pmpd' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'rradical' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sigpack' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'smlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'toxy' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'unauthorized' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pan' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'freeverb' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'hcs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'jmmmp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ext13' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ggee' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'flib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ekext' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'flatspace' to the global objectclass path [list2symbol] part of zexy-2.2.1 (compiled: Jul 21 2008) Copyright (l) 1999-2007 IOhannes m zmlnig, forum::fr::umlute & IEM beware! this is widget 0.1, 19th alpha build... warning (Widget): no file 'setup.wid'... using built-in defaults beware! this is tot 0.1, 19th alpha build... [makesymbol] part of zexy-2.2.1 (compiled: Jul 21 2008) Copyright (l) 1999-2007 IOhannes m zmlnig, forum::fr::umlute & IEM consistency check failed: widget_anything consistency check failed: widget_symbol consistency check failed: widget_symbol consistency check failed: widget_symbol widget's error: creation failure ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. see standard error for details widget's error: creation failure see standard error for details widget q snd -width 100 ... couldn't create SoundBankk: No Files Matching Criteria SoundBankk: No Files Matching Criteria SoundBankk: Folder Allready Exist SoundBankk: Folder Allready Exist error: 0-soundbank-gui: no such object loading scriptlet file "scriptlet" tot's error: error while loading file "scriptlet" warning (tot): using containing canvas ('capture') widget's error: creation failure see standard error for details ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2108212&group_…

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