Pd-dev May 2005

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06 Jul '05

hi, my last mail got nuked by the server, did you change config? it never used to have a prob with a faked 'from' field to match the subscribed address... anyways my vote is do away with the numbers. ive made a lot of minor tweaks to devel, which ive already made to impd as well, and definitely don't want to make them a 3rd time (that would be 3 strikes..). to fix/add stuff like: / .pdrc not being read on windows (pd.ini) / not being able to select 2 outs and 6 ins with portaudio / not being able to put tcl in your system path on win32 / no ASIO with non-MSVC on win32. / a few linux64 fixes / merge jsarlo's VST io sppt / almost everything from impd that wasnt in g_* files nonetheless in the actual code theyre too trivial for anyone else to notice, and an order of magnitude smaller than the contributions Tim has made, but i wouldnt want them to get lost..so in order of preference from most to least 1: do away with numbering, and just have a 'devel'. every month or so, make sure it compiles on all 3 platforms and dump into MAIN..theres few enough developers and i dont think theyre stepping on toes and generally work on difft things.. 2: keep numbering, but devel_0_56 becomes devel_0_57, so the 'little guy's stuff isnt lost, and so he doesnt have to bug miller or guenter or whoever and possibly paste a bunch of stuff in again and get grey hairs.. 3: crazy all-night frankenstein hack/merge fest with version # change that might lose features and add new bugs.. i mean the same reason i'd vote for 'devel' as rather using debian 'sid' than 'sarge' or something thats doomed (like win32)...

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Re: [PD] maxlib
by Tim Blechmann 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

(moving to pd-dev) hi hans, hi devs, hans, would it be possible that you apply the patch i sent to the pd-list to the maxlib cvs? (olaf is not using the cvs) i'd commit the patch myself, but i'm not allowed to ... maybe locking out everyone is a bit too restrictive ... cheers ... tim -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk latest mp3: kMW.mp3 http://mattin.org/mp3.html latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/ After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs

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new portaudio+portmidi in "main" branch
by Miller Puckette 31 May '05

31 May '05

Hi all, I made changes to portaudio and portmidi in cvsmain... compiles OK on linux and mac, not sure about windows yet. Continuing to hack on data structure stuff, plus fixing some bugs. cheers Miller

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dev meeting comments
by Tim Blechmann 31 May '05

31 May '05

hi all, especially miller, matju and winfried ... just a few comments, since i had to leave very early ... - i'd definitely prefer to use multiple threads instead of multiple processes, since it's easier to share data, since we don't have the socket connection ... on the other hand, it wouldn't be that easy to build a custom gui for pd ... (except when adding a send/recv h anyway, since the tcl/tk code is virtually everywhere in the pd core, it's already pretty impossible to build a custom gui ... still, i'd strongly vote for seperating g - a short time ago, i was doing some low latency benchmarks ... it seems that the send / recv system calls should be avoided in a realtime thread ... having a gui _thread_ it would be possible to synchronize gui / kernel via the lock-free fifos, that are implemented in devel ... basically, i'm not sure, if we should use an external scripting language for the gui at all ... of course, it's faster to write and easier to maintain, but it's usually much slower than plain c ... cheers ... tim -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk latest mp3: kMW.mp3 http://mattin.org/mp3.html latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/ After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs

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pd-dev list: something is not properly working (just for me?)
by rama 27 May '05

27 May '05

hi, i had to do a copy & paste of this reply from Frank from the list archives on the web, as I didn't get it on my mailbox. first I though I was not only getting back my original posts, but it *seems* like I don't receive messages from the pd-dev list since january! I thought i was not subscribed to the list for some reason, so tried to re-suscribe, and got a "privacy alert" from mailman, saying I'm subscribed. can you help me discover what stupid thing I'm doing somewhere if it's me? it's quite annoyting to check the archives each time... i reply Frank below: Hallo, rama hat gesagt: // rama wrote: >> we discussed this a bit before, but I still feel not convinced about it: >> >> why do the list replies go back to the original poster rather than the >> list itself? > > Because you have sent your mail to the original poster instead of to > the list. It's not a software problem. ok, this is the point of discussion held some time ago. *why* not default to reply to the list? it's very annoying to have to 'reply all' if you want to keep the thread on the list (which is usually what we prefer, or not?) > The pd-lists don't touch your decision, who to sent mail to, at all. well, but they can decide as well: Reply to original sender, or Reply to this list for sure, i'm also admin for several lists running mailman. so my stressy request is to change default to "Reply to this list". can someone make clear why it's not like this? or why it's prefered to not do it this way? sorry for being annoying, but I fell quite sure that this beheaviour would be more appropiate. i usually do normal "reply", which defaults to original poster with the pd lists. > (If you use Mutt: It has a "list-reply" function normally mapped to the > key "L". Add "pd-list" to your ~/.muttrc as: "subscribe pd-list pd-dev > ..." and you're set.) i was using mutt several years before, for some silly reasons I moved to Evolution, which sucks quite much, but I still don't think it should depend on the client email app. a normal reply, should point you directly to the list, a reply all, ok, to the list, and the poster.. if you want to start the private thread, you simply remove the pd-$list, and you are set ;) > Not messing with the reply-to is considered good practice on most > (technically oriented) mailing lists. Google for "reply-to harmful" > for the gory details of this discussion. i know, thanks for the tip anyway, til later, rama > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ > > _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41 --

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1209262 ] devel_0_38 configured with prefix doesn't install
by SourceForge.net 26 May '05

26 May '05

Bugs item #1209262, was opened at 2005-05-26 18:21 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by timblech You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1209262&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata-dev Group: None >Status: Closed >Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Submitted By: ClaudiusMaximus (claudiusmaximus) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: devel_0_38 configured with prefix doesn't install Initial Comment: The following actions are missing from "make install", which causes it to fail: $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib/pd $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib/pd/bin $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib/pd/extra After "./bootstrap.sh", "./configure --prefix=/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38 ...", "make", here is the log of attempted install: claude@maximus pd $ make install Making install in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' install u_main.tk ../bin/pd.tk install pd ../bin/pd make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" /bin/install -c 'pd' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pd' /bin/install -c 'pdsend' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdsend' /bin/install -c 'pdreceive' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdreceive' install -m644 ../bin/pd.tk /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk install: cannot create regular file `/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk': No such file or directory make[2]: *** [install-exec-local] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin claude@maximus pd $ make install Making install in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' install u_main.tk ../bin/pd.tk install pd ../bin/pd make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" /bin/install -c 'pd' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pd' /bin/install -c 'pdsend' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdsend' /bin/install -c 'pdreceive' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdreceive' install -m644 ../bin/pd.tk /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" /bin/install -c -m 644 'm_pd.h' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include/m_pd.h' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-watchdog' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-watchdog' /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-gui' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' Making install in extra make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' install -m 644 ./*/*.pd_linux /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra install: installing multiple files, but last argument, `/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra' is not a directory Try `install --help' for more information. make[1]: *** [install] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra claude@maximus pd $ make install Making install in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' install u_main.tk ../bin/pd.tk install pd ../bin/pd make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" /bin/install -c 'pd' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pd' /bin/install -c 'pdsend' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdsend' /bin/install -c 'pdreceive' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdreceive' install -m644 ../bin/pd.tk /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" /bin/install -c -m 644 'm_pd.h' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include/m_pd.h' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-watchdog' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-watchdog' /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-gui' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' Making install in extra make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' install -m 644 ./*/*.pd_linux /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. cp -r ./doc /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/ test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1" /bin/install -c -m 644 './man/pd.1' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1/pd.1' /bin/install -c -m 644 './man/pdsend.1' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1/pdsend.1' /bin/install -c -m 644 './man/pdreceive.1' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1/pdreceive.1' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' claude@maximus pd $ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Tim Blechmann (timblech) Date: 2005-05-26 23:14 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=326084 fixed in cvs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1209262&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1209262 ] devel_0_38 configured with prefix doesn't install
by SourceForge.net 26 May '05

26 May '05

Bugs item #1209262, was opened at 2005-05-26 16:21 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1209262&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata-dev Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: ClaudiusMaximus (claudiusmaximus) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: devel_0_38 configured with prefix doesn't install Initial Comment: The following actions are missing from "make install", which causes it to fail: $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib/pd $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib/pd/bin $ mkdir $PREFIX/lib/pd/extra After "./bootstrap.sh", "./configure --prefix=/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38 ...", "make", here is the log of attempted install: claude@maximus pd $ make install Making install in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' install u_main.tk ../bin/pd.tk install pd ../bin/pd make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" /bin/install -c 'pd' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pd' /bin/install -c 'pdsend' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdsend' /bin/install -c 'pdreceive' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdreceive' install -m644 ../bin/pd.tk /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk install: cannot create regular file `/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk': No such file or directory make[2]: *** [install-exec-local] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin claude@maximus pd $ make install Making install in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' install u_main.tk ../bin/pd.tk install pd ../bin/pd make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" /bin/install -c 'pd' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pd' /bin/install -c 'pdsend' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdsend' /bin/install -c 'pdreceive' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdreceive' install -m644 ../bin/pd.tk /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" /bin/install -c -m 644 'm_pd.h' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include/m_pd.h' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-watchdog' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-watchdog' /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-gui' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' Making install in extra make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' install -m 644 ./*/*.pd_linux /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra install: installing multiple files, but last argument, `/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra' is not a directory Try `install --help' for more information. make[1]: *** [install] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 claude@maximus pd $ mkdir /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra claude@maximus pd $ make install Making install in src make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' install u_main.tk ../bin/pd.tk install pd ../bin/pd make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin" /bin/install -c 'pd' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pd' /bin/install -c 'pdsend' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdsend' /bin/install -c 'pdreceive' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/bin/pdreceive' install -m644 ../bin/pd.tk /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd.tk test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include" /bin/install -c -m 644 'm_pd.h' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/include/m_pd.h' test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin" /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-watchdog' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-watchdog' /bin/install -c '../bin/pd-gui' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/src' Making install in extra make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' install -m 644 ./*/*.pd_linux /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/extra make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd/extra' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. cp -r ./doc /home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/lib/pd/ test -z "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1" || mkdir -p -- . "/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1" /bin/install -c -m 644 './man/pd.1' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1/pd.1' /bin/install -c -m 644 './man/pdsend.1' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1/pdsend.1' /bin/install -c -m 644 './man/pdreceive.1' '/home/claude/pd-devel-0-38/man/man1/pdreceive.1' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/claude/build/pd-devel-0-38-20050526/pd' claude@maximus pd $ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1209262&group_…

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problems with this list?
by rama 26 May '05

26 May '05

hi again, i've posted two messages yesterday on this list, they didn't get back to me yet (I'm subscribed as medialist(a)xicnet.com) but I got an answer from Olaf, so I noticed the mail went through the list. but still don't have my original posts. I've checked the mail.log in my server and seems to not have received any smtp input from the pd-list mailserver [iem.kug.ac.at]. I see the messages show in the archive http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2005-05/thread.html does this happen to any of you as well? IOhannes you are the list admin, right? would you be so kind to give a check to this, bitte? thx .. i know it's boring, but also not receiving the mails from the list is much more boring ;) if there is anyhthing I could help on, plz tell. last thing: we discussed this a bit before, but I still feel not convinced about it: why do the list replies go back to the original poster rather than the list itself? I really think that if a post produces replies they should remain as a public thread, whereas now it drops into a private exchange. is this really what we need/like/prefer? why? thanks for the pacience have a nice day, ramiro. --

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oggcastw~ credits
by rama 26 May '05

26 May '05

sorry, seems like now I'm spamming this list. just forgot to mention (and it would be unfair to not do so) that a lot of valuable help was provided to me by Yves and IOhannes to make oggcastw~ possible. many thanks to you folks! greetz r --

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binary packages for devel on osx
by Tim Blechmann 26 May '05

26 May '05

hi all... i'll probably release a new version of devel during the next few days after porting miller's changes from 0.39-test2 to devel ... this time, i'd like to include binaries for windoze and osx ... for win32, i'm able to compile them myself, but for osx, i need some help ... i'd be glad if someone could help me with that. thanks ... tim -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk latest mp3: kMW.mp3 http://mattin.org/mp3.html latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/ After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs

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