For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. Is Gem in 64-bit ready for prime time?
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The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
It never will be 64 bit on OSX.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. Is Gem in 64-bit ready for prime time?
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The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Why not?
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On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, chris clepper wrote:
It never will be 64 bit on OSX.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. Is Gem in 64-bit ready for prime time?
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The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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GEM uses Carbon which is not 64 bit. Most apps (Photoshop, ProTools, etc) on OSX have no path to 64 bit without a nearly complete rewrite.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Why not?
.hc
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, chris clepper wrote:
It never will be 64 bit on OSX.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. Is Gem in 64-bit ready for prime time?
.hc
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
GEM-dev mailing list GEM-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
There seems to be some 64-bit support for Carbon, considering the Carbon framework is shipped as 64-bit in 10.5. I know that Carbon is basically deprecated, but IIRC, some parts of it are 64-bit. Which parts rely on Carbon?
file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon: Mach-O universal binary with 4 architectures /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc7400): Mach-O dynamically linked shared library ppc /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc64): Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library ppc64 /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture i386): Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386 /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library x86_64
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On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:18 AM, chris clepper wrote:
GEM uses Carbon which is not 64 bit. Most apps (Photoshop, ProTools, etc) on OSX have no path to 64 bit without a nearly complete rewrite.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
Why not?
.hc
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, chris clepper wrote:
It never will be 64 bit on OSX.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. Is Gem in 64-bit ready for prime time?
.hc
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
GEM-dev mailing list GEM-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
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There is no 64 bit Carbon support at all. Apple killed it years ago.
All of the window management and Quicktime code is Carbon. The rewrite for Cocoa and 64 bit would be hundreds if not thousands of hours of work.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
There seems to be some 64-bit support for Carbon, considering the Carbon framework is shipped as 64-bit in 10.5. I know that Carbon is basically deprecated, but IIRC, some parts of it are 64-bit. Which parts rely on Carbon?
file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon: Mach-O universal binary with 4 architectures /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc7400): Mach-O dynamically linked shared library ppc /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc64): Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library ppc64 /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture i386): Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386 /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library x86_64
.hc
On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:18 AM, chris clepper wrote:
GEM uses Carbon which is not 64 bit. Most apps (Photoshop, ProTools, etc) on OSX have no path to 64 bit without a nearly complete rewrite.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Why not?
.hc
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, chris clepper wrote:
It never will be 64 bit on OSX.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. Is Gem in 64-bit ready for prime time?
.hc
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
GEM-dev mailing list GEM-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
kill your television
64-bit Gem on Mac OS X could drop Quicktime/Carbon in favor of gstreamer and/or gmerlin which I believe is already implemented on GNU/ Linux. Then its just window management, which doesn't seem so huge, but I haven't done it before.
Am I right in assuming that Gem could really benefit by 64-bit because it would allow it to use more than 4 gigs of RAM?
.hc
On Oct 7, 2009, at 11:26 AM, chris clepper wrote:
There is no 64 bit Carbon support at all. Apple killed it years ago.
All of the window management and Quicktime code is Carbon. The rewrite for Cocoa and 64 bit would be hundreds if not thousands of hours of work.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
There seems to be some 64-bit support for Carbon, considering the Carbon framework is shipped as 64-bit in 10.5. I know that Carbon is basically deprecated, but IIRC, some parts of it are 64-bit. Which parts rely on Carbon?
file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon: Mach-O universal binary with 4 architectures /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc7400): Mach-O dynamically linked shared library ppc /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc64): Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library ppc64 /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture i386): Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386 /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library x86_64
.hc
On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:18 AM, chris clepper wrote:
GEM uses Carbon which is not 64 bit. Most apps (Photoshop, ProTools, etc) on OSX have no path to 64 bit without a nearly complete rewrite.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
Why not?
.hc
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, chris clepper wrote:
It never will be 64 bit on OSX.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. Is Gem in 64-bit ready for prime time?
.hc
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
GEM-dev mailing list GEM-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
kill your television
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
64-bit Gem on Mac OS X could drop Quicktime/Carbon in favor of gstreamer and/or gmerlin which I believe is already implemented on GNU/Linux.
That would throw away the advantages of QT on OSX, and I would probably no longer use GEM if that happened.
Then its just window management, which doesn't seem so huge, but I haven't done it before.
It would require interfacing the C++ code with Objective-C. It is possible, but fairly masochistic.
Am I right in assuming that Gem could really benefit by 64-bit because it would allow it to use more than 4 gigs of RAM?
I cannot recall anyone ever saying they hit this limit. Even the massive projects I did using many HD clips and capture never got close to this.
chris clepper wrote:
It never will be 64 bit on OSX.
it has 64bit ready on linux since i spent some time on my brand new laptop. in the meantime, the laptop is in a state of decay. according to the SVN logs, i guess this was about 2005-05-30.
since then i officially support x86_64 for all my externals.
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