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pix_set new features
by Antoine Villeret 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

hi all, i've added some new features to pix_set : - roisize and roioffset which allow to set only a small part of the whole image - fill which set all the pixels by sending only one value (no need to make a huge list...) the help patch have been updated and i also make an example 04.pix/27.bitmap_font.pd feedback are welcome feel free to include it in Gem i'm using it to display text and other simple graphics on a LED matrix this is in my github repos on the branch "pix_set" git://github.com/avilleret/Gem.git ++ a -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr http://drii.ensad.fr -- Google lit ce mail... si vous refusez cela, utilisez l'adresse antoine.villeret [at] free.fr pour me contacter

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Re: [GEM-dev] pics with transparency
by Фывапр Олджэвич 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

but i mean the format of file ? i'm not profi in it.. should i use TIFF file or wht the format with transparent layer it could be ? Четверг, 6 декабря 2012, 16:36 от Cyrille Henry <ch(a)chnry.net>: > > > > > > tif should work on any platform. > > > Le 06/12/2012 16:33, Фывапр Олджэвич a écrit : > > Thanks, and what format the picture should be ? > > > > So the [pix_image] doesn'read PNG or PSD .. > > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 6 декабря 2012, 15:22 от Cyrille Henry <ch(a)chnry.net>: > > > > > > > > Le 06/12/2012 14:35, Фывапр Олджэвич a écrit : > > > Hello ! > > > > > > Can anyone help ? > > > > > > How can I render a picture with transparent layer ? > > use a picture with a transparency layer, and insert a [alpha] object after gemhead so that transparency is computed. > > cheers > > c > > > > > > > > Or maybe other way to remder and be able to scale and translate picture with no background ? > > > > > > Right now I have to work with 3-D models of the pictures with 0-thick .. but it renders not enough quality as just a picture. > > > > > > But i don;t need backgorund in them and need holes sometimes. > > > > > > Thanks !! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > GEM-dev mailing list > > > GEM-dev(a)iem.at <sentmsg?compose&To=GEM%2ddev(a)iem.at> > > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: [GEM-dev] pics with transparency
by Фывапр Олджэвич 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

Thanks, and what format the picture should be ? So the [pix_image] doesn'read PNG or PSD .. Четверг, 6 декабря 2012, 15:22 от Cyrille Henry <ch(a)chnry.net>: > > > > > > > Le 06/12/2012 14:35, Фывапр Олджэвич a écrit : > > Hello ! > > > > Can anyone help ? > > > > How can I render a picture with transparent layer ? > use a picture with a transparency layer, and insert a [alpha] object after gemhead so that transparency is computed. > cheers > c > > > > > Or maybe other way to remder and be able to scale and translate picture with no background ? > > > > Right now I have to work with 3-D models of the pictures with 0-thick .. but it renders not enough quality as just a picture. > > > > But i don;t need backgorund in them and need holes sometimes. > > > > Thanks !! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > GEM-dev mailing list > > GEM-dev(a)iem.at > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev > > > > >

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pics with transparency
by Фывапр Олджэвич 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

Hello ! Can anyone help ? How can I render a picture with transparent layer ? Or maybe other way to remder and be able to scale and translate picture with no background ? Right now I have to work with 3-D models of the pictures with 0-thick .. but it renders not enough quality as just a picture. But i don;t need backgorund in them and need holes sometimes. Thanks !!

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[ pd-gem-Bugs-3517368 ] gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X
by SourceForge.net 03 Dec '12

03 Dec '12

Bugs item #3517368, was opened at 2012-04-12 19:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pixes (pix_ objects) Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X Initial Comment: Pd-extended 0.43.1, 2012-04-02 32-bit on a MacBook Pro 3,1 running Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel. opening Gem -> examples -> 04.pix -> 05.film, then loading alea.mpg, it tells me the video is "1 frames (320x240) at 1.000000 fps" and procedes to make a fractal-like animation. 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Thank you. <a href="http://eyeuser.com/blogs/viewstory/329188" title="a Perfect">a Perfect</a> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-09-23 11:00 Message: Just built master and it still doesn't work, did it work for you? But things have changed: now it outputs -1 for the frame count for alea.mpg. Sending [auto 1( doesn't do anything at first, but after a couple seconds, it plays a few frames, then stops again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-09-23 10:12 Message: I just tested this again to be sure: - Pd-extended 0.42.5 i386 32-bit on Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel: When I load alea.mpg, it outputs 0 from the total frames outlet but sending [auto 1( it plays fine. - Pd-extended 0.43.1-20120419 i386 32-bit on Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel: When I load alea.mpg, it outputs 1 from the total frames outlet but sending [auto 1( does not play it. Trying to build Gem from master now, I'll report back on that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-05-02 06:33 Message: Just did a little more testing. alea.mpg and 64849285.mp4 both play fine in Quicktime and in Pd-extended 0.42.5. It is only Pd-extended 0.43.1 with Gem 0.93 that has this issue ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-23 11:31 Message: I just tested this using Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120423-ubuntu-oneiric-i386.deb on Ubuntu Oneiric/i386 on my MacBook Pro 3,1 with a nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT] . It seems to work fine with alea.mpg, /64849285.mp4, and others all work fine. Seems like its an OSX issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-22 06:34 Message: yes, both play fine. alea.mpg is the same old video that has been included in Gem forever ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-04-22 02:46 Message: can you play these movies with QuickTime? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: jack (jackovic) Date: 2012-04-17 15:18 Message: The video works fine on my config. Last Gem from git, Pd 0.43.2test1, ubuntu 11.10. Here i get : [pix_film]: loaded file: /home/jack/Vidéos/filmsPourTests/64849285.mp4 with 359 frames (640x480) at 30.000000 fps So the problem seems to be related to MasOSX only. ++ Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-17 10:43 Message: I am also seeing the same behavior using a mp4 from the internet: [pix_film]: loaded file: /Users/hans/64849285.mp4 with 1 frames (640x480) at 1.000000 fps This is the video, you can download the .mp4 from the download section of the page: http://vimeo.com/28911883 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368&group_…

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[ pd-gem-Bugs-3513016 ] imageMAGICK plugin Inverted Colors on file read
by SourceForge.net 03 Dec '12

03 Dec '12

Bugs item #3513016, was opened at 2012-03-29 16:55 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3513016&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pixes (pix_ objects) Group: osx Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: megrimm (megrimm) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: imageMAGICK plugin Inverted Colors on file read Initial Comment: pd-extended 64bit osx 10.7.3 When opening a file the Red channel and the Green channel were inverted. FIX: Line 54: GL_RGB Line 60: "BGR" ...that fix took me half the day to figure out. anyway, i know i should be submitting a patch but im not too illiterate yet on the git systems and was failing quite miserably in my attempts to create a suitable patch.... m ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-12-03 01:52 Message: Hello, I think your website might be having browser compatibility issues. When I look at your blog site in Safari, it looks fine but when opening in Internet Explorer, it has some overlapping. I just wanted to give you a quick heads up! Other then that, wonderful blog! cheap north face jackets http://cheapnorthfacewintercoats.jimdo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: megrimm (megrimm) Date: 2012-05-02 10:54 Message: yeah I am not sure what to say. I realize this is probably a larger problem. I just added the alpha channel and compiled only to get the same discoloration. the solution i presented seemed to be the only one that get adequate results. for the 64 bit builds ive been looking at starting an native cocoa plugin for images but i would need some direction. I am not so sure how to utilize Objective-C code (in cocoa we would be using NSImage) in a C++ application. This could just be the easy better solution? let me know what you need for me to work all this out.... m ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-05-02 06:15 Message: the problem with that fix is, that we are potentially losing the alpha channel of the image, which is not so good. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3513016&group_…

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[ pd-gem-Bugs-3541589 ] pix_record codeclist
by SourceForge.net 03 Dec '12

03 Dec '12

Bugs item #3541589, was opened at 2012-07-09 05:59 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3541589&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pixes (pix_ objects) Group: linux Status: Pending Resolution: Works For Me Priority: 1 Private: No Submitted By: kubriel (kubriel) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: pix_record codeclist Initial Comment: there is no output to console in linux when inserting [codeclist( co pix_record in gem from git 3.7.2012. i cant set any other codec as mjpa seen in example, because i dont know its name. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-12-03 01:52 Message: Do you have a spam issue on this blog; I also am a blogger, and I was wanting to know your situation; many of us have developed some nice practices and we are looking to exchange techniques with others, be sure to shoot me an email if interested. cheap north face http://microadvert.net/node/190074 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-07-23 09:56 Message: actually printout does work, but you have to manually raise the verbosity of Pd to level 2, by adding the following flags when starting Pd: "-verbose -verbose" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-07-12 07:02 Message: the codeclist is sent to the last outlet of [pix_record], just attach a [print] to it. this allows the codecname not only to be displayed, but also to be used programmatically. in theory, the codeclist should also be posted at a higher verbose level (so you won't get annoyed by all those codecs by default), but it seems that this is currently not working as expected. i'll try to fix that later. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3541589&group_…

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[ pd-gem-Bugs-3512435 ] abstractions/gemwin.pd couldn't create
by SourceForge.net 03 Dec '12

03 Dec '12

Bugs item #3512435, was opened at 2012-03-28 08:40 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3512435&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: build-system Group: osx Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: megrimm (megrimm) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: abstractions/gemwin.pd couldn't create Initial Comment: User patches (non-example patches) give error when creating gem abstractions (example: abstractions/gemwin.pd) even when [import Gem], etc is used. For example, "gemwin ... couldn't create", "gemorb ... couldn't create" do gem abstractions just need alias's made in parent directory ? although I am assuming there with be conflicts between abstractions and externals/gem-internals such as "gemhead"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-12-03 01:52 Message: Wonderful blog you have here but I was curious if you knew of any discussion boards that cover the same topics talked about here? I'd really like to be a part of community where I can get advice from other knowledgeable people that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks a lot! north face osito http://workathometopics.com/?p=435356 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: megrimm (megrimm) Date: 2012-03-29 06:25 Message: OK. You are correct in that. Although I think the confusion was in the fact that a "make install" (at least on OSX) installs gem to "/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/" rather than "~/Library/Pd/Gem"..... should it or should it not i do not know... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-03-29 06:11 Message: no, you should not need an alias in the parent path. Gem expects the abstractions to live in the same directory as the Gem-binary (Gem.pd_darwin in your case), and (if properly compiled and installed [*]), will add this directory to Pd's search paths. if things go wrong, you might want to run pd with "-verbose" flag, to see whether it spits something out regarding it's search path. what [import Gem] does in don't know. [*] properly compiled means, that "s_stuff.h" was found during compilation; properly installed means, that _all_ Gem-abstractions (including the special Gem-meta.pd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: megrimm (megrimm) Date: 2012-03-28 08:41 Message: thats pd-extended-0.43.1_64bit gem recent git pull ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3512435&group_…

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[ pd-gem-Bugs-3517368 ] gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X
by SourceForge.net 03 Dec '12

03 Dec '12

Bugs item #3517368, was opened at 2012-04-12 19:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pixes (pix_ objects) Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X Initial Comment: Pd-extended 0.43.1, 2012-04-02 32-bit on a MacBook Pro 3,1 running Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel. opening Gem -> examples -> 04.pix -> 05.film, then loading alea.mpg, it tells me the video is "1 frames (320x240) at 1.000000 fps" and procedes to make a fractal-like animation. Full Pd window log and screenshot attached ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-12-03 00:53 Message: This article is quite assuredly written for those of us that like to really think. The particular points you make appear intelligent and well-defined. Your perception of this topic is much like mine. Thank you. <a href="http://eyeuser.com/blogs/viewstory/329188" title="a Perfect">a Perfect</a> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-09-23 11:00 Message: Just built master and it still doesn't work, did it work for you? But things have changed: now it outputs -1 for the frame count for alea.mpg. Sending [auto 1( doesn't do anything at first, but after a couple seconds, it plays a few frames, then stops again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-09-23 10:12 Message: I just tested this again to be sure: - Pd-extended 0.42.5 i386 32-bit on Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel: When I load alea.mpg, it outputs 0 from the total frames outlet but sending [auto 1( it plays fine. - Pd-extended 0.43.1-20120419 i386 32-bit on Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel: When I load alea.mpg, it outputs 1 from the total frames outlet but sending [auto 1( does not play it. Trying to build Gem from master now, I'll report back on that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-05-02 06:33 Message: Just did a little more testing. alea.mpg and 64849285.mp4 both play fine in Quicktime and in Pd-extended 0.42.5. It is only Pd-extended 0.43.1 with Gem 0.93 that has this issue ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-23 11:31 Message: I just tested this using Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120423-ubuntu-oneiric-i386.deb on Ubuntu Oneiric/i386 on my MacBook Pro 3,1 with a nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT] . It seems to work fine with alea.mpg, /64849285.mp4, and others all work fine. Seems like its an OSX issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-22 06:34 Message: yes, both play fine. alea.mpg is the same old video that has been included in Gem forever ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-04-22 02:46 Message: can you play these movies with QuickTime? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: jack (jackovic) Date: 2012-04-17 15:18 Message: The video works fine on my config. Last Gem from git, Pd 0.43.2test1, ubuntu 11.10. Here i get : [pix_film]: loaded file: /home/jack/Vidéos/filmsPourTests/64849285.mp4 with 359 frames (640x480) at 30.000000 fps So the problem seems to be related to MasOSX only. ++ Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-17 10:43 Message: I am also seeing the same behavior using a mp4 from the internet: [pix_film]: loaded file: /Users/hans/64849285.mp4 with 1 frames (640x480) at 1.000000 fps This is the video, you can download the .mp4 from the download section of the page: http://vimeo.com/28911883 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368&group_…

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[ pd-gem-Bugs-3517368 ] gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X
by SourceForge.net 02 Dec '12

02 Dec '12

Bugs item #3517368, was opened at 2012-04-12 19:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pixes (pix_ objects) Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X Initial Comment: Pd-extended 0.43.1, 2012-04-02 32-bit on a MacBook Pro 3,1 running Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel. opening Gem -> examples -> 04.pix -> 05.film, then loading alea.mpg, it tells me the video is "1 frames (320x240) at 1.000000 fps" and procedes to make a fractal-like animation. Full Pd window log and screenshot attached ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2012-12-02 06:22 Message: I was suggested this web site by my cousin. I am not sure whether this post is written by him as nobody else know such detailed about my trouble. You��re wonderful! Thanks! <a href="http://workitmom.com/blogs/members/yak38twig/106795/asdfStylize%20Your%20ow…" title="Stylize">Stylize</a> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-09-23 11:00 Message: Just built master and it still doesn't work, did it work for you? But things have changed: now it outputs -1 for the frame count for alea.mpg. Sending [auto 1( doesn't do anything at first, but after a couple seconds, it plays a few frames, then stops again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-09-23 10:12 Message: I just tested this again to be sure: - Pd-extended 0.42.5 i386 32-bit on Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel: When I load alea.mpg, it outputs 0 from the total frames outlet but sending [auto 1( it plays fine. - Pd-extended 0.43.1-20120419 i386 32-bit on Mac OS X 10.6.8/Intel: When I load alea.mpg, it outputs 1 from the total frames outlet but sending [auto 1( does not play it. Trying to build Gem from master now, I'll report back on that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-05-02 06:33 Message: Just did a little more testing. alea.mpg and 64849285.mp4 both play fine in Quicktime and in Pd-extended 0.42.5. It is only Pd-extended 0.43.1 with Gem 0.93 that has this issue ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-23 11:31 Message: I just tested this using Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120423-ubuntu-oneiric-i386.deb on Ubuntu Oneiric/i386 on my MacBook Pro 3,1 with a nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT] . It seems to work fine with alea.mpg, /64849285.mp4, and others all work fine. Seems like its an OSX issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-22 06:34 Message: yes, both play fine. alea.mpg is the same old video that has been included in Gem forever ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2012-04-22 02:46 Message: can you play these movies with QuickTime? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: jack (jackovic) Date: 2012-04-17 15:18 Message: The video works fine on my config. Last Gem from git, Pd 0.43.2test1, ubuntu 11.10. Here i get : [pix_film]: loaded file: /home/jack/Vidéos/filmsPourTests/64849285.mp4 with 359 frames (640x480) at 30.000000 fps So the problem seems to be related to MasOSX only. ++ Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2012-04-17 10:43 Message: I am also seeing the same behavior using a mp4 from the internet: [pix_film]: loaded file: /Users/hans/64849285.mp4 with 1 frames (640x480) at 1.000000 fps This is the video, you can download the .mp4 from the download section of the page: http://vimeo.com/28911883 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368&group_…

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